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To Use or Not the Google Tools? (Analytics, Webmaster Tools)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Envyliciouz, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. Envyliciouz

    Envyliciouz BANNED BANNED

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    I'm really confused about this since I'm building links automated and nothing there is pure white hat. I'm doing grey hat for my websites and adding analytics, webmaster tools will hurt my website I think.

    What are your thoughts guys? What are the advantages and disadvantages of using Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools?

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  2. charlie3

    charlie3 Senior Member

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    I use both for all my websites and nothing negative has been happening. Granted, I wouldn't know because I haven't done a side by side test to really see any difference, but I also do greyhat linkbuilding (isn't Senuke X geyhat?) and I haven't really seen any Google slaps.

    I think they have a little more knowledge about your website, which they can calculate into their algorithm so as long as you're not doing anything really blackhat I don't see why it will hurt.

    I just like having all that information at my fingertips. It really helps me optimize my site for keywords I didn't even know about, as well as find any errors with my sites.

    Hope that helped :D
     
  3. Clicks4Cash

    Clicks4Cash Registered Member

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    I am interested in this too.

    I think the main map they can make is that amount of visits to a site against the links acquired and other such signals. e.g. If your site accumulates 5000 social signals over a month, yet only has 200 visits it could perhaps flag a manual review.

    However, the above is only speculation, no one really knows how G really works.

    There is nothing wrong though with being sensible and making provisions.
     
  4. steelballs

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    I kicked them both out as they hold too much information that flows into the wrong hands

    There are many alternative similar tools around that will do the same job and keep your data private

    Which is what I want my data to be private not misused by some dumb keyboard jockey intent on f**king you over out of spite and jealousy :eek:
     
  5. TheMatrix

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    I add GA to each of my websites, no matter how much black they are. I also have added each of my sites to Webmasters tool. I haven't seen any negative impacts at all.

    Obviously there's no way for us to to find out how exactly google uses our data, but I really think it helps to do both these.
     
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    Whether you sign up for a Webmaster Tools or not, Google has that data. It's letting you see what it knows about your site (indexed pages, links it has found, etc). Oh the paranoia people have.

    Build as many links as you like and however you like. Googlebot goes out, crawls pages, follows links, send the data back to Google for indexing. Not using Analytics and Webmaster Tools won't stop Google from knowing about your links or site content.
     
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    pangolin123 Regular Member

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    Its not worth adding google analaytics to your site. You wouldn't want google to know your bounce rate, etc. There are many free alternatives you can use which provide better statistics than google analytics.

    For webmaster tools, I use them primarily because it provide a tons of valuble information like how google see your site and the keywords. How your anchor text is linked, etc. With these information, you can write more quality contents or build backlinks, etc.
     
  8. Envyliciouz

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    Any thoughts about this? :)
     
  9. djarum76black

    djarum76black Junior Member

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    I'm sorry mate,, noob here.
    Can you tell me please tht similiar tools,,
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  10. Robby54

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    I recently removed all google related products off of my sites. IDK people keep saying that "google already has this information so it makes no difference".

    I think this is completely wrong...

    Google has SOME information but they get much more if you sign up with their analytics program. If they already had ALL the information they would not need you to add the analytics code to your site in the first place. All you would need to do is verify you are the owner just like with webmaster tools, but since they don't have ALL of your information that's why they need you to put their tracking code on your site..

    Thats to much info if you ask me, especially with all these algorithmic updates you don't know what google is using to help/hurt you.
     
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    Try piwik, it works just like google analytics (but better in my opinion).
     
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    If you have Adsense on your site then adding Analytics won't tell Google anything they don't already know.

    Webmaster Tools is just a monitoring service and it doesn't give Google any additional information except it does alert them to the fact that you are probably into SEO.

    I use Analytics on some of my Adsense sites but don't have Webmaster Tools for most of my sites.
     
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    The main question is what extra information (in terms of link strategy or the quality of your website) you are giving to Google by using their services.

    So for webmaster tools, you do absolutely nothing (no code added in your website) apart from confirming that you are the owner. Then they show you what they know. So they already know.

    In other words, if you use it or not makes no difference. Think about the fact that services such as the open site explorer or majesticseo can see patterns in your links, your links, your anchors etc etc.. They have way less resources and knowledge than Google. Do you think that Google does not know more than MajesticSeo?

    For analytics, you add the code they provide you so that you can track bounce rate, keywords,conversions etc. I am not 100% sure (how could I?!) that bounce rate is used to rank a website (its a poor metric anyway).

    I dont like analytics so I use statcounter. I would think that you do give extra information by using Analytics but I dont think that they will use bounce rate to penalise you...

    To sum up, using webmaster tools gives absolutely nothing new to Google(they already know your links and how you built them). For analytics, yes you give more info but I dont know if Google uses such metrics to rank a site.
     
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    From what I have read, bounce rates dose play an important factor.
     
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    Depends on what you consider bad bounce rate. If you have 100% bounce rate, then your website is junk. I have websites that have 80% bounce rate and they rank.

    If they get the info they want they bounce.If they click an ad, they bounce. You cant have high ctr and low bounce rate. I prefer to have high ctr.
     
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    if you are a real website use GA
    if you are making a spam site just for ads do not use

    using wmt does not make any difference though
     
  17. ajithrocksca

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    as far as webmaster tools is concerned.. it is not going to affect your website.. but analytics might affect you site, as it gives google the opportunity to analyze the visitor behavior in your site. The bounce rate, time spent and other stuff will be tracked. There are other analytics sites like histats and so on.. use them instead of GA. However if you consider your site to be good and gives great information for the visitors then use GA.
     
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    draw a line - webmaster tools - they already have this information
    analytics - this is js code you are adding with tokens so they can track bounce rates,etc
    I personally think putting out SB blasts or posting on private blogs that have a high OBL rate are much bigger signals to google about spam than if your bounce rate is high - I doubt they are investing much time/money into mining through analytics data when they can spend that energy on some low hanging fruit like spammy link farms
     
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    You are still looking at it from a manual point of view.. Their whole point of them making an algorithm in the first place is so that their system can act more like a human when it comes down to how they rank sites, the sole purpose would be so that it would be harder to game their system.. So even though they might not be manually wasting time mining through data, their algorithm has no problem doing it.:)
     
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