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To shitlist or not to shitlist ? That's the question

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by handmadebots, Dec 9, 2013.

  1. handmadebots

    handmadebots Senior Member

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    Ok, so I've seen this post http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...30305-looking-coder-create-simple-ig-bot.html and I've contacted the guy to see wazup. We've set a price, I told him that I can make it today for that price, and I also specified that it will be done in Zennoposter, with this
    The bot was ready, and I showed him via skype how it works. He tells me this:
    And finally tells me this, after I show it to him running with 2 threads:
    So ... he hasn't really scammed me with money, but time. Which is basically the same thing since time=money. He is not the first guy that fucks me with this stuff, so I kind of tell them to make XY% of the payment before, but sometimes I trust them, and look what happens. I really hate this guys, since they are other on this forum.

    Should I post it in the shitlist ?
     
  2. PrinceVisi

    PrinceVisi Elite Member

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    You can ask the MODs to ban his ass.
     
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    iwillnbd Regular Member

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    That really sucks :(
    People like these destroy the faith of people on others...
    Making a shitlist wouldn't be much good because his account is very knew and im pretty sure he wont care if it gets banned..

    Next time only trust a reputed member here and if you work with new guys then take 50% payment before actually starting to work...
     
  4. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    If you built the bot to his specifications and he hasn't paid, then shitlist him.

    At least claim for the time spent.

    ALWAYS TAKE PART PAYMENT UPFRONT

    There are too many time wasters already.

    He should have informed you/you should have asked for of all the requirements first.
     
  5. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    It 's your fault as well. You didn't you tell him you weren't going to be providing an executable file and he had no idea what Zennoposter is and how it all works. So actually, you wasted his time too.
     
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  6. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    It seems as though you agreed a price and agreed the specifications however you haven't included those Skype logs.

    If you did come to an agreement, then he owes you the price of the bot/time spent because you completely it on time with the features that I can only assume were agreed. Whether he changes his mind or not, you kept your side of the deal and therefore should still be paid in full.

    Open a shitlist but make sure to include the logs of the period where you agreed the price and features of the bot.
     
  7. handmadebots

    handmadebots Senior Member

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    I will shitlist him. I haven't asked all the requirements, because normal people know what they want, so I cannot quess what he needs. But still you're right, and I'll be more careful.
     
  8. HFlame7

    HFlame7 Regular Member

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    If this is a valid shitlist situation, then it'll actually help in preventing more time being wasted in the future.

    However, I'm not really sure if this is shitlist material because I never saw where the "buyer" agreed to anything.
    If anything, this seems like more of a misunderstanding on the "buyer's" part (before agreeing to anything).
    But, of course, the mods will decide that.
     
  9. handmadebots

    handmadebots Senior Member

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    Also a good point, but it's not the first guy that doesn't know about Zennoposter, and I still made bots for him. If he didn't knew, you could have just made a google search, or ask me. I am again, just looking at things from a normal human being perspective.
     
  10. TheUnborn

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    You just lost your money,be careful next time and as mod said "its your fault as well"
     
  11. handmadebots

    handmadebots Senior Member

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    There are more logs, I just pasted some of them.
     
  12. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    You are assuming that he could understand the difference. The norm on bots is that people get an executable file, so non-technical people assume that 's how everything is. You know that well as a programmer, so it 's more of your responsibility to cover your back, rather than the client 's. He just expects to pay and get something like he 's used to.
     
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  13. handmadebots

    handmadebots Senior Member

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    You're right man. Anyway, I've put him in the shitlist, don't know if it will be accepted or not, but that's how that's just what I thought it woul be better for the entire community. Of course, on my side got away this time, but who knows what the F he will do next. I would also like the money for the bot so that everything gets right, but that's not going to happen, and everybody knows it.
     
  14. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    From the logs you posted, he did not scam you. You had a communication failure that is both your fault.

    I will not approve the shitlist, and that 's for your own good as well as you are to blame equally. And hopefully next time, you will bother explaining to your clients what it is you are going to deliver instead.
     
  15. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    No, in fact I can tell by the lazy-ass way you've posted this thread, you are at least 50% of the problem. He probably caught wind of this and that's why he steered clear of you. Smart guy. Smells a stinker in advance, and avoids him. You sound like a royal pain in the ass, and the BST sellers here should be thanking you for declaring to them who you are, so they can avoid you too. Good thread. Thanks.
     
  16. handmadebots

    handmadebots Senior Member

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    or maybe this is your second account ...
     
  17. madoctopus

    madoctopus Supreme Member

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    I wouldnt have sent u a penny OP. When somebody buys a program, the .exe as well as the fucking source code is his. That's why he pays you. It is work for hire. He owns copyright, source code, everything. IMO you wasted his time not the other way around.
     
  18. handmadebots

    handmadebots Senior Member

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    Like I said, I specified that it is in Zennoposter.
     
  19. redrubies

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    For the bot illiterate, which I was before fatboy taught me about all things bot, I would have been just like your customer. I'd want the exe too. You might be having problems with customers because you are not explaining exactly how this all works.
     
  20. redrubies

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    If that was me in my bot illiterate days, I would have said "Oh, that's nice. Where's my exe?"