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To all the 100% Freelancers: Do you feel "free"?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by IamAlu, Aug 26, 2016.

  1. IamAlu

    IamAlu Newbie

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    Cheers,

    to all the people here living entirely on your own making online business (means having no job as employee irl), do you feel free and happy?
    Of course everybode here wants to achieve this goal, making money online, quit job, be free and live in a fairy tale full of unicorns and virgins.
    But i wonder, the few who really achieved this goal, how do you see your future? What if your major source of income dries cause of any changes in google, social networks or any affiliate network etc...
    What are your crisis plans?
    And do you consider getting older, thinking of pension, healthcare?

    Greetings
     
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  2. stenem

    stenem Registered Member

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    You could always at any time loose your 9-5 Job ... then you will have to find a new one. The same rule applies online.
     
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  3. Malcolm Max

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    Freelancing isn't actually lots of freedom for most of us. A good freelancer takes his project seriously and he will have to work hard to complete it within the timeline. Then there is customer support, responding to new clients, a pressure to reach your monthly goal etc.

    Obviously you enjoy more freedom than a office job. But for that freedom you live in a financial insecurity.
     
  4. Honest

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    I'm not a freelancer. We all work for someone, in one way or another.

    I like my freedom I have with being self employed. I make my own schedule, and I can work even work bare ass naked, if I feel like it.
     
  5. Vic Sage

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    People who are doing IM full time are not freelancers.

    Gotta be ruthless in this case, Always have a backup asset in place in case something happens. As for me, I am always researching and launching new Ad campaigns every day, so if my top money maker dies I try to tweak it first, if it's a complete failure (It's an instinct to tell if a campaign is a complete failure, grows over time) I just put my money into growing other profitable campaigns (Which are getting me good ROI on a $10/day budget.)

    Nope. I will die a billionaire, end of story.


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  6. McPatrick

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    So you are a freelancer or not? I think you don't understand meaning of word freelancer because first you say you are not one, and then you throw definition of freelancer...
     
  7. IamAlu

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    You are right but as employee you have several rights and also an unemployment ensurance (at least here in germany) which will pay you for 6-12months when you get fired.

    I wish i could be as self confident as you are :D

    As for me, i can say i feel very insecure even with having a regular job.
    Its a troublesome time in Europe and i feel like in the end i will lose anyway, no matter how much i pay into any pension and health insurance, in the end it will not be enough to live from it or will have to pay shitloads for a stay in the hospital cause insurance will always find a way to make me pay.
    Of course i can only speak for EU/Germany
     
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  8. uches12

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    Even Mark, Facebook owner don't sleep.
    There is always a time to work and a time to eat.
    So talking about Freedom, it also depends on wut you define freedom to be for yourself, all businesses are dynamic so to keep with it, there r times you've got to work more than ever. Ideally you can't be entirely free when you r personally running your business if, if you really want to grow.

    However, you r still in control of it all that's the beauty of owning ur business.
     
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  9. Jaymien

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    Lucky! You should see how fucked up are the other Europian countries (and I'm from Italy). Germany is one of the most stable places to live in Europe, as a matter of fact, I'm planning to move there or to the Netherlands in the future.

    As for freelancing, being a freelancer doesn't equal to be rich and careless. Yes, you'll be able to do your schedule and to specialize on what you prefer, but working like this might involve more risks than having a "consistent" 9-5 job.

    Best Regards,
    Jaymien.
     
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  10. stenem

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    And what do you do then? wow you have 6 Months of payment and then you are screwd anyways. Imagine you are 50 and the company you work at shuts down. Hello good old friend Hartz4.
    Do you really think that anyone would work online if they can't get more then at an 9-5 job?
     
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    I am trying to be an owner (and idealy a ceo) of my company. However, trust me, on the way there is not only the financial insecurity...the main obstacle I suffer since the beginning is coming from people wanting you to stay in a 9-5 job just like them.

    Presently I don't feel free at all since few years back some competitors hacked my laptop, instructed people to assault me and until present still following me (unfortunately with the help of some corrupted...) : I thought that going in the street making some offline marketing promotions was a good idea....I learnt it the hard way (because I was to efficient as a sale)...and since I have injuries until present....

    This matter happened in the UK but presently I am back in France (I am French) due to this issue...but it still...

    Freedom has a price one could say....
     
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  12. IamAlu

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    Im really not up to "destroy" your dreams but let me tell you in all honesty, Germany is not the place it used to be like 3 years ago. things have changed drastically and that is especially true for immigrants.
    Same for Netherlands (my GF is Dutch, studying in Germany)

    Yeah i know exactly what you mean, but i think the risk of that is much lower than losing your source of income with IM
    And yes, i think that. I believe being your own boss and having the freedom to decide when and where to work (as long as theres internet) is much more worth than more money. Plus you dont have to pay for pension insurance if you dont want to.

    Honestly man, thats horrible, WTF? May i ask where you come from and in what Industry you work?
     
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    personally, I am doing this for over 7 years now... Aside from health issues, everything is pretty much better than having 9-5 job.
     
  14. Jaymien

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    I know it, you're not destroying any "dream", I have many friends that currently live in both places and not even one of them is considering to come back. If you think Germany is bad, you've not seen what's outside.

    Everything is going down in Europe and Italy has been down for a lot more than 3 years (and I live in North Italy, which is the richest and comfortable area).

    To be clear: I'm not planning to move to a dreamland, just aiming for something that's not as bad as where I'm currently in.

    Best Regards,
    Jaymien.
     
  15. freshaero

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    In fact the issue started with a matter I believe most entrepreneur could have (providing payslips for renting a property (an entire flat)) : arguments with neighbor and owner of the shared house I started to rent (after resigning from a freelancer $10K/month job in France and coming back in the UK where I set up my company a year before). I was a business analyst in my role in France. Two months after we've signed a one year tenancy agreement the owner realised that I was an entrepreneur who just took a room in order to prepare other freelancers job interviews in London. The owner (a landlady) and his brother tried to abuse of their position asking me to stop my activities at the moment and firstly focus on building a website for them : I gently refused saying that I have to maintain my priorities and help them as soon I finished my job interviews. The result was my assault (first assault) in the property few days later by one of their relatives. Then things went as a snow ball effect since we went to the court several times and I won all the times. They lied to the Police (in fact for the Police in this area (Brixton) an owner of a property is always right comparatively to a tenant) and this last unlawfully came in my property and into my room : I made several complaints following the process until to the highest level.

    About six months after I left this landlady property, I have been assaulted again (beginning of 2015) but this time by a group of person resulting in a traumatic cataract, flashes and floaters until present. I mysteriously received a response to my last complaint against the Police the day of this last assault on me.

    However, the landlady and his brother and their other relatives (they are just act as a gang...) threaten me that they are going to following me using unofficial ways until they get "compensation". Presently I believe they are using some networks in order to harass me since (even I am presently in France) in their minds everything I have (because I am a tenant) should be their property.

    In parallel, I was naive asking a "friend" to collect my mails (including clients invoices/receipts) for me in London when I was working for clients in Paris. This guy was in fact a very envious person that was turned into a government agent (but corrupted since he used his new role to put me down as a revenge of refusing to pay him $500/month instead of $50 for the collect/scan of my mails).

    This issue is really deep.

    PS : I don't smoke, I don't drink nor use any drug.
     
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    I understand, I was on the same boat. I went through tons of troubles since my childhood (Poverty was one of the biggest obstacle of my life), not sharing 'em 'cause either you won't believe 'em or sick bustards of this forum whom I don't have any time for will try to make fun of them, I know what I have been through, that's enough. Hell I even got an internet connection for the soul reason of making money and providing for my family in late 2008 at the age of 15.

    What I found out is, it's poison which society injects in our mind over a lengthy period of time. They taught us we have to panic in difficult situations/we gotta have high-end degrees to provide food for our family/we gotta "Embrace" hard situations 'cause there's nothing else we can do.

    The more you panic and the more you feel insecure, the more things turn bad. If you are calm, motivated and have a "SICK" work ethic, everything around you starts getting better. NOTHING changes unless you force it to.

    Economy/troublesome time - these are just sick excuses people make to cover the consequences of their laziness and dumb decisions.

    I would suggest that you first start taking TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy), it changes everything for the good, keeps you calm, motivated, aggressive (In a good way) and builds up intolerance to b*llsh*t.
     
  17. 1morenoob

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    No, I'd be much more concerned if I had a £200k a year job 'in the city' than made £200k a year with my own business. Economy seems to take a nose dive every 10-20 years, decent chance of losing your job and certainly not many chances of promotion for a while.
    With my own business I know its 100% my fault if I lose my income, could also sell my business for close to £1 mil when I decide to retire rather than quit a worthless job.

    Crisis plan: Have more than 1 method and/or save money

    Pension/healthcare: You can still get this, you just don't want to pay for it. You still pay for it if you have a normal job, in the UK on a £30k a year salary a employer pays about £3k tax straight to the government on top of whatever tax you pay yourself.

    Probably best to stop involving the police, you can get prison time for lying on a rent application here lol.
     
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    If you cannot have any constructive discussion, then just ignore me. I confirm everything I said above.

    PS : It is not really about renting if you analyse but hating and/or envy.
     
  19. christianbed

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    I had similar questions about 6 years ago when I first got started.

    I had earned two master's degrees in different subjects, worked for various companies, and then I wanted to teach, so I earned a PhD from one of the world's top universities (I'm not kidding). I thought being a professor would allow me the autonomy I sought, not to mention long holidays where I could spend my time researching and writing.

    After two years of that, I'd had enough...politics, never-ending pressures to generate original research, plus a heavy teaching schedule had made me a very unhappy person. I've published a book with an academic press (a revision of my dissertation), written academic journal articles and chapters in books, done numerous conferences, supervised postgraduate theses, etc...so I was full-on.

    I'm not sure how much you know about working in higher education, but the fact that I got a job immediately after graduating is, itself, pretty amazing...many academics cannot find work, so they adjunct (teach a class here and there) and get some other low-paying job that gives them benefits, and try to scrape together a living. So leaving my job looked absolutely insane to most of my colleagues.

    Anyway, now, I'm making 4x what I made as a prof and I get to work from my home office, take time off when I want, spend time with my kids and wife...it is pretty great. I've not always made what I make today, but I've never made less than what I used to make. I do work longer hours now, I believe, so it isn't a 4 hour workweek by any means, but I'm working on that.

    That said, I miss the camaraderie of the academy. I deeply enjoyed those times when I could grab a coffee and chat about some esoteric topic with a colleague who is equally keen on the subject. It isn't a bad life, but I did the 'corner office test' one day and asked myself if I'd want to have the dean's life in ten years. I didn't feel that was the life I wanted to aspire to.

    Working in IM can be lonely, but I'm fortunate to have some good friends and a great family. For everything I've given up, I've gained in other ways, so I try to remain grateful.

    As for crisis plans, well, life itself is uncertain, and things happen regardless of what one does for a living. Still, I try to save aggressively, having the equivalent of a year's salary in the bank allows me to sleep at night. Also, once you get into a cash-generating business, it can be a stepping stone into something on a larger scale. For instance, I could buy/renovate property right now. I could get into SaaS. I could buy an existing business with a proven cashflow, grow it for a year, then resell for a profit, etc.

    With anything you do, there should always be a Plan B, C, D. Once you find some success, save, reinvest in the business, then work on diversifying.
     
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    It is not all about feel free. But is is more of feeling happy. I will say personally that I am very happy by the fact that I can set my own working ours. It is the best thing that you can ever have. I live in the city where we have heavy traffic jams in te morning and evening because people are reporting or leaving work. I am happy that i can pay my bills at the comfort of my home.