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Tired of this bullsh*t! What's wrong with BHW link building services?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by rokot, Sep 1, 2019.

  1. Dayaljai

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    Yeah, you are right its best ways to get quickly Millional via doing this shit or ripp members.but its hard to find who behind this.
     
  2. Textsurfer

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    Of course that BB is still playing a large role in the BHW marketplace. Is he behind sarkar or not, who knows but we all know that we can b**ch as much as we want in such threads and the situation is not going to change.

    Just think from the side of being the owner of BHW, why would you remove these services since they're making you a lot of money? Impossible... I will never do it.
     
  3. TigerUK

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    Remember you have to only beat your competitors, if they only have links from pbn and other shitter sites theres no need for you to pay $1200 for a link from forbes.

    Ive seen guest post prices on sites like forbes, wsj, huffington post and its over the top
     
  4. John Nubba

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    If a BHW member with a JR VIP account want to sell his account, the normal price is more than $97 and not less than $97! I know about more than 10 JR VIP accounts sold...
    I think that @Diamond Damien know in any moment the exact number of JR VIP accounts. If a person can makes JR VIP accounts @Diamond Damien can see that in BHW are some JR VIP accounts without payed fees.

    In the next day after my post from here:
    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-marketplace-2-0-thoughts.1106901/page-9#post-12422763
    one of the listings with BHW accounts for sale was deleted, so the seller of JR VIP accounts read my post.
    My words are real 100% and also I have evidence.
     
  5. Harlet

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    Oh yeah, there are Jr. VIP accounts that are sold regularly to banned members. All they need is a new IP and clean cookies to scam everyone all over again. I haven't seen any mod or high level accounts sold but who knows. There is certainly a certain prolific mod who has totally chsnged personalities since getting promoted but who knows maybe power just makes you an ass.

    Either way there is undeniably a conflict of interest when a service is paying gross amounts of money for advertising on BHW and yet is constant'y complained about and mocked outside of the marketplace for poor quality. The absolute worse people here are the ones defending leaving the threads up as a honey pot for dumb newbies.
     
  6. John Nubba

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    I don't know about JR VIP accounts who are sold to the banned members.
    I know that any person can buy a JR VIP account or 3 for example, even if he was or wasn't a BHW member before!
    But we don't have to worry about these problems, I think that @Diamond Damien already knows these things... my post ( https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-marketplace-2-0-thoughts.1106901/page-9#post-12422763 ) is from Sep 6 2019, more than 2 weeks in this moment and I think that @Diamond Damien knows about JR VIP accounts for sale before Sep 6 2019, because I haven't a message from him.

    P.S. I can't contact @Diamond Damien because I haven't his personal email or his personal chat and I don't want to contact through BHW, because behind this business with JR VIP accounts can be any person (this person can be and from BHW staff)
     
  7. Toz

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    As you said, I'm fairly certain he already knows about this, as this practice is not new. I don't think that you tagging him five times in two posts is really necessary. For example, if I tag someone 15 times in one post, it would be just as effective if I were to tag someone only once in that same post. All the extra tagging is not necessary in any way. That being said, any account can be upgraded to Jr. VIP, whether they buy it from another individual or simply go through traditional means of becoming Jr. VIP. And that being said, this topic is a bit off-topic from the original post. I get that it can be related, as the Jr. VIP accounts are the ones capable of doing the selling, but this really should have been its own topic or at least posted in a more relevant thread. This thread is generally about sellers providing products and services somehow less than and/or different from what's being advertised and how buyers can be able to critique / respond without fear of repercussion from said sellers. These sellers are not limited to being formerly banned users.
     
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  8. t0mmy

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    Too much shit to read on the following pages, but it's not rocket science bros.. the services you mentioned in the OP are shit, a blind man could see that.
     
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  9. Diamond Damien

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    We are indeed aware there are Jr. VIP accounts listed for sale. We know they are sold and often close them before they are sold, to avoid people being scammed as the sale of an account is against the BHW terms of service. We make exceptions where people are selling their service but these are very rare, managed by admins and clearly marked.

    @John Nubba - you can contact me via pm if you have concerns or start a dedicated thread as @Toz mentions above. Let's not get off-topic

    As has been raised multiple times in this thread all marketplace threads are tested as listed BEFORE being set live and there is considerable rigor that goes into making sure a service delivers what it says it can. On the rare occasion that one slips through the net we get picked up by the forum.
    We don't allow services that make outlandish ”we get you to position 1 on Google” claims if you see them report them and they will be removed.
     
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    Lol just seen my post was edited.. whoops! :anyway:
     
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  11. John Nubba

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    A BHW account can be upgraded only it has at least 2 months and 100 postings!
    I think that you pay for your JR VIP account $97 and not less than $50 for example!
    Some of these accounts or all of the accounts are used for fraud in BHW, here is the real problem!

    My message isn't off topic because these JR VIP accounts can be used in any mode!

    I have send you a PM. Thanks a lot!
     
  12. Harlet

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    The issue really is that there is no satisfactory system that mods can fairly decide that a service is too low-quality to stay on the market place currently. Sometimes the services are extremely obvious and are a running joke among the more well read users. For example, sarkar. But there are definitely others who fail to meet any sort of quality standards. For example users who claim they have college educated writers charging a premium but deliver some shitty Fiverr reseller content.

    They may have been top-notch when they were submitted or just good enough to grease through. But looking at the consistently negative reviews, clearly the service has degraded to the point that it no longer should be on the marketplace.

    The problem is that nothing is being done to eliminate these low-quality services. In fact, sarkar advertises everyfuckingwhere on BHW. Maybe the sweet Advertiser dollars is too much for BHW to let go or maybe it has just flown under the radar for whatever reason.

    We need better quality control, period, and to stop blaming new users for falling victim to thinly veiled scams that not only don't help but hurt their site rankings.
     
  13. John Nubba

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    A bad seller present to the Mods high quality services and the problems appear after... In this way, the Mods can't make nothing, just to add some JR VIP accounts to THE SHIT LIST! - But this isn't a solution because the buyers lose money and real sellers lose buyers (buyers = money for sellers) and BHW will lose members!
    For these problems is a unique solution: a correct escrow service with mods for different products or services!
     
  14. Toz

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    I believe BlackHatWorld is more concerned with the quality and reputation of BlackHatWorld, than it is about one person's ad spend. Yes, some of the marketplace threads listed inside this thread may appear to look dodgy as hell, however, speculative accusations and actual proof are two entirely different things. Seriously, just pay attention to his words. He's not saying that the money from a seller isn't a big deal or a major concern or anything. He says it's not even relevant.

    WE are the quality control. If you purchase a service and it is not what is being advertised, use the "report" button. There are only so many moderators as opposed to the plethora of registered users. We cannot honestly expect the staff to be everywhere and all the time. That being said, again, it would be very helpful to have proof.
    I believe something like this is already being discussed for the future.
     
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  15. John Nubba

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    A BHW member use the "Report" button when he see that the service isn't like in the description. But @Toz is very late, because this BHW member has already paid for the service and the seller has 2 options:
    1. to send the money back to the buyer - a normal situation
    2. to runn with the money - in this situation the buyer lose money and THE SHIT LIST will grow...

    Buyers only care about their money and not about THE SHIT LIST!
    With an escrow service BHW staff will be in all the deals in real time and THE SHIT LIST will disappear!
    I sell products with escrow services for few years and I know these things.
     
  16. BassTrackerBoats

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    Buyers care about the product or service they receive.

    You actually do not know the entire process as to a SL situation as well as the report button situation.

    So much goes on behind the scenes when that sort of issue comes up we should rename it Iceberg as 10% is visible and 90% is grunt work behind the scenes.

    I just finished one today that was a 2 week deal via PMs where the buyer got a refund and I held the seller's feet to the fire as to any future issues.

    You are minimizing the ability of the staff to get seller's back in the saddle as to the quality they originally offered in the review process as well as the severity of the staff's response should the seller retaliate (had one of those last week too and I was not nice) or not get their game in order.
     
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  17. KenWalker

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    It also depends on your site .. i posted my positive review above for a vendor and then another one said no its not good service.
    but hey as long as it worked for me , it counts as good service to me .
    So before purchase talk to the vendor and explain your site and requirements and then go from there.
    what do you guys think ?
     
  18. Harlet

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    The report and shitlist feature is clearly not enough if a seller is a source of constant complaint and yet still has ads slathered all over the site. When almost any member will tell you 'don't buy from that seller tbey have shit quality' then I think there is an issie of them being on the marletplace at a'l much less being a 'face' of BHW. Just think about it. The number one advertised service on BHW is a joke. What exactly dpes that say about BHW?

    A huge issue with the shitlist is that it aims to solve the issue between the seller and buyer so they just refund and move on to scam the next newbie. There isn't really a forum for sellers who have egregiously earned the spite of the community aka near scammers.
     
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    @BassTrackerBoats / @Diamond Damien

    If you'd allow my IP on Cloudflare (to not get throttled), I could give you a list of all the spam accounts for the forum.

    The patterns of the accounts are really obvious, just the manual labour of finding them is the hard part.

    With a bot, it can be done in under a day.
     
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