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Tired of this bullsh*t! What's wrong with BHW link building services?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by rokot, Sep 1, 2019.

  1. MountainGuy

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    Not my intention here. I'm not planning on needing the mods good graces ever on this forum. I'm a lover not a fighter.

    I am not. Lurked for along time. Created account. Forgot account info after taking a break from IM when my site ranked and i got very busy IRL.

    Real life brought me back to IM.

    edit:But to be fair on the overall scope of IM knowledge I have very little.
     
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  2. Zbigniew

    Zbigniew Regular Member

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    Fair enough bro.

    I don't doubt that WebMinati's services are good, he is one of the best contributers on the forum, in my opinion. But if you haven't tried a service, you shouldn't recommend it. I don't think it's fair to the buyer nor the seller. Especially in a thread like this.

    But if you have tried any services I would gladly read your opinions on them. :)
     
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  3. seodestruction

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    Those guys are trash and so is seker, but the one that really fucking works is "DEXTER" look him up
     
  4. andrieks

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    I just said this morning that i was happy that the post was re-opened, because this morning it was closed for new comments. But, my post got removed, reason: Let's try and keep it pertinent to the thread OP. I feel all the points that have been raised relating to the OP have been answered by me and the fellow mods.

    Well, i disagree, everything should be more transparent. Its super relevant for people to know the threat was closed for a while and now re-opened. I think it is a solution for the OP's problem, the quality is low because of a lack of transparenty. Someone said his review got removed because it was 8 month after the purchase, well, a review that long after a purchase would be super relevant, he could monitor drops, changes in the sites, effects on ranking etc.. At least be transparent about removing if a post doesnt contain anything illigal. Make it still visible to people who want to see.
     
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  5. Diamond Damien

    Diamond Damien Owner BlackHatWorld Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member UnGagged Attendee

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    It was removed as it wasn't pertinent to this specific thread. For clarity whilst transparency is important - which I why I'm keeping this one live. Relevance is also important. Posting "I'm happy the thread is re-opened. Very strange it was closed." isn't germane to a thread about link building in the marketplace.
     
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  6. andrieks

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    But when BHW's transparancy and mods are being questioned by some, in a thread as hot as this one and with a lot of tension, i think it is relevant for everyone to know it was closed for a while.
     
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    Why is it relevant? Mods lock threads all the time when they are being tidied up. Is it really important for you to know that?

    Transparency involves people leaving reviews when they don't receive the service they expect. There are too many people that have posted on this thread about issues, but they didn't post them in the BST and in some cases they didn't raise them at all with the seller.

    As for the review 8 months after the purchase, the seller bought the same service multiple times and left positive feedback. Then this thread pops up and suddenly he wants to leave a negative review? That's completely irrational to say the least.
     
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  8. Ashway

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    I feel MODs who test and approve the threads should be shown as sample of work by the seller. So that each buyer can compare and confirm if he really got the same service as MODs who approved it.

    Sometimes i feel that no way the approval mod wrote what he posted with the kind of report i recieved.
     
  9. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Super Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    For buyers: The quality of the product or service that I receive is what you should expect, or better. If you feel that the quality of the service has dropped significantly, please let us know via the report button.
     
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  10. Ashway

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    Sir, how do we know what you recieve. Most of the time i see you writing very good things.

    When we dont even know what kind of quality you recived how can we judge if quality droped? Sometimes few lines of review by approval mod not enough.
     
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  11. nimdekvan

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    Omg. Just compare the one you received with the sales thread.
     
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  12. ccmv

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    I bought 2 times with this seller, one time 8 months ago and one time 4 months ago. After the first time buying from him I posted a positive review, because I didn´t know what good backlinks are and who I´m to say that the "unique content" that he wrote was not good? I thought that I saw some improvement even it was just a bit so I wrote a positive review. Then 4 months later I bought again with more knowledge, but still with insecurities because I'm not a SEO expert. I can not judge wether the quality of a service is good or not. I didn't left a review this time because I had my doubts about the quality.

    When this thread was opened I felt that my doubts were right, so I left my review.

    So what is irrational? Removing my review and hold hands above sellers? Or maybe he could have asked me the real story before he would remove the review?

    Another thing sellers are being nice with you and try newbies to leave good reviews immidiately after delivering. How relevant is a review immidiately after delivering then? As SEO takes time to see some improvement, right? So even if I made a review immidiately after delivering how relevant was this then? Why someone is not allowed to correct their review after a while? As this would be way more relevant..

    Newbies have a lack of knowledge about SEO, so when they doubt about the quality of a service they may not say anything or just think like it will be good quality. As everyone leaves positive reviews. So they don't open mouths. That's why it's good this thread is here.
     
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  13. The Scarlet Pimp

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    i'd like to find a good back-link service since the last one i bought did nothing for my rankings.
     
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    I think this thread went in the wrong direction. Its not about the buyers or the quality of the products. Who expect wonders with $5 links? No one should. What happens right now in this thread is: the responsibility of the sellers are moved to the buyers. The buyers should take care, the buyers should be aware, the buyers should read etc. it won't solve the problem. Some sellers are only driven to sell sell sell, no fucks given. No fuck about the customers, not fuck about the quality, just sell as much as possible.

    So what happens is: Order gets in, they are looking for a niche relevant article, spin it (not even make it unique) and post it all over the place in their network (yes, it seems they are all working together, using the same URLs etc. its not the first time someone talks about this).

    Sarkar, aka_sam etc. are not only triggering newbies or members by all the positive reviews (which should be questioned), all the graphics, ridiculous titles and so on, but they also lie in their product description by saying "no spun content", "drip feeding" etc. (everything well noted in the first post) and they are doing the opposite by using spun content, post all in the same day and so on. It shouldn't be accepted. This is the problem. I don't see how any buyer can be aware of the sellers are going to lie or not? Whether their product description is true or not?

    This is something buyers can not be aware of. This is also something buyers can not know before they order or when they read the description. Its not a coincidence this thread got so much intention, thanks etc.. It seems many people (me included) made the same experiences like OP. I bought many services as well and sometimes when I checked the results I was like "omg, wtf did he do?" but it wasn't even worth it to contact them or to complain and of course it wasn't worth it to open a shitlist thread or contact a mod. Its just: Move on, disavow these links and don't buy from this guy again. I also think its wrong to blame any mod, because they do as much as they can and they do very well. I enjoy to read the shitlist threads, where I think they do great work.
     
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  15. roman375

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    Indeed, here is one in action:

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  16. mgtarheels

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    Then maybe the rules need to be reviewed. You allow threads to be bump spammed, but review updates with screenshot proof isnt? This exact rule perpetuates the exact issue being raised in this thread - bullshit being peddled on this forum with zero repercussion.

    It's also ridiculous about highly relevant posts about a service provider threatening to neg seo your site due to your original review that you left on the thread, yet you can't post an update giving the rest of the buyers notice. Completely and utterly defeats the purpose of reviews.
     
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  17. MisterF

    MisterF Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Submit this in forum feedback/suggestions and I'm sure an Admin will answer you this.

    Maybe anyone leaving neg feedback should be required to post an order reference and also a transaction reference. This is to stop trolls and competitors posting 50 fake negative reviews on services they have never bought.

    An example of this is seen here; https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/t...dult-website-now.1030016/page-8#post-12384306

    This person has not supplied any proof he actually ordered.
     
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  18. mgtarheels

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    For sure. Definitely not saying there's a simple fix, just saying that the way it is currently doesn't facilitate transparency in reviews nor quality in service(s).

    I don't have the answer, but your proposal may be a good starting point to iterate on.
     
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  19. Giuni

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    The thread bump made by the sellers is upsetting because:
    1. when I try to go thru pages to see the reviews, i have to scroll a thousand times because the sellers copy/paste the initial descripion + reviews from 100's of customers in almost every page of the their sale thread.
    2. everytime there is a bad review, they immediately start copy pasting those huuuuuge sales pitch + reviews so the bad review is quickly hidden. I'm not going to talk about the tens of accounts with no history that appear to be new customers. I can't prove they are not customers so, I'm not gonna go there.

    As an example, sarkark21 is doing just that now, after the OP posted his review in the CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW thread. He did a copy/paste yesterday and today he did again.

    There needs to be some kind of a rule to not allow thread bumping, or maybe every sales thread is allow to have only 3 bumps or something like that.
     
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  20. Social God

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    I was paying attention to many reviews. A lot of these reviews that are posted are usually last seen on the same day and never log on again. There’s so many of them lol
     
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