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Tired of this bullsh*t! What's wrong with BHW link building services?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by rokot, Sep 1, 2019.

  1. rokot

    rokot Junior Member

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    I didn't want to publish this thread, but enough is enough. I'm tired of this bullshit, which is called "PREMIUM LINK BUILDING SERVICES!!".

    Beginning
    Everything started from the Parker2010 and his super-mega-unbelievable link building package (here this topic). I ordered it looong time ago (~9 months past). Reading all these great reviews from different members encouraged me to place an order. Two or three weeks later I've got my report and... To say that it was a crap means to say nothing.
    I've published a detailed review , so you can check it out and see why I was so angry. Instead of anticipated normal links, I've got a giant piece of shit. I like how after my review he immediately offered free review copies and all Jr.VIP reviewers wrote how great his service is. Maybe we've got different services or maybe these Jr.VIPs posting their shitty reviews because of free links?:suspicious:

    New TOP sellers, same problems
    Time passed by, and I've decided to order services from other TOP sellers here. These are Sarkark21 and his CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW 2019 & GALAXY NETWORK and aka_sam with BOX SHOT X

    Again, tons of excellent positive reviews made me think that they're worth to order. So I've ordered this and these services. Few weeks later I'm waiting for my reports and dreaming how these links will push my pages in the TOP of the Google SERP.

    I really hoped, that at this time I will get high-quality links (or somewhat near high-quality) because sellers have tons of positive reviews with great results.

    Firstly, I've got a report form aka_sam with his PBN network. He doesn't provide live links to keep network safe, and I don't have a problem with this. Here is how my report looked like (pay attention to this, please)
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    Nothing extraordinary, but I've decided to ask for articles screenshots. Next thing I've got made me nuts cause this was total shit. Let's take a look what aka_sam is saying in his thread:
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    How cool is that? No spun content, only high quality! Sounds great, right? But let's see what I've got in the report:
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    Does it seem like high-quality article? And this fella doesn't even bothered himself to check articles before sending me, so the second screenshot from his report was this:
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    Hmm... Looks like it's f*cking spunned piece of shit!

    And once again as it was with Parker2010, aka_sam started blaming his writers team and it's their fault, he fired them already and in the future nothing like this will happen, blah-blah-blah BULLSHIT!

    Now let's see what Sarkark21 sent to me. First of all, let's try to find 5 differences in his and aka_sam PBN reports:
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    Woah... They're the same!:eek:
    Do they have one network? Or maybe they're members of one team? Or someone reselling? I don't know, but I think mods should check this. I didn't get screenshots of the articles, but I'm 99,9% sure, that they will be the same piece of shit like aka_sam's

    Next one: Jack Sparrow Links Package
    First checking statements in the thread of Sarkark21:
    • Fresh Database
    • Top quality UNIQUE content
    • 4 Unique High Quality Articles in this package (2-3 * 300-350 words + 2 * 450 words) and spun it heavily
    Once again sounds great on paper. Here what I've got in the reality:
    • Only 3 articles in the report (1 article missed, but it's OK)
    • My links are neighboured with Casino links
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    • Content was barely spunned and it was alomost COPYPASTE!!!
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    • Wanna some drip feed? Sure! Everything was posted in ONE FUCKING DAY
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    • Maybe the website base will be fresh? Hell no! I've compared .edu and Contextual links in this package with the package I've got from Parker2010. 70% of .edu and 45% of contextual links are on the same domains!
    • Wanna some Web 2.0? ~70% of domains are in .it zone. Great, yeah?
    The only positive moment is that all of the sellers made a refund. But Parker2010, unlike other two guys, was trying to threaten me to ruin my website if I will post negative review in his topic.

    That's all, folks. I hope this topic will prevent some newbies from ordering these services.
    I see how these sellers manipulate their reviews. They try everything to avoid neagtivity in their topics and I think plenty of people take money and shut up. But c'mon, why are you sitting quitely??? How many newbies are spending their last $$$ on these services and waiting for the results which will never come??

    My questions to BHW community:
    1. Am I the only one who get this kind of shit?
    2. Are people blind and don't see what kind of shitty articles they get in their reports?
    3. How in the hell these sellers got so many positive reviews?
    4. How many people who were unsatisfied with these services quitely took the refund and didn't post anything?
    5. How long this shit will exist on BHW?
    6. Can mods check these guys networks to make sure, that the networks are really different and they're not all in one team selling the same type of shit?
     
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  2. MKSKS

    MKSKS Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Thanks for sharing your experience.

    This needs to be reported OP.

    @MisterF , @BassTrackerBoats please look into this, looks like Seller is threatening buyer with negative SEO.
     
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  3. rokot

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    It was long time ago and he didn't do anything :)
     
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  4. mikey29

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    This happen before about casino or porno. The seller said no casino, porn or pharmacy

    I asked the seller and he want ape crap on me.

    I found it by site: command

    Not here btw
     
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    Stop buying cheap seo packages, you can build those links for yourself, and if you need high quality links, you need to pay more. Check @tiiberius service in my sig, those links rank.
     
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  6. Marneus74

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    Honestly, I always wondered who was buying this kind of service.

    I was fooled at first, like you, thinking that reviews were a guarantee of quality. Then I discovered that this was not the case...

    Anyway, thank you for your honest report.
     
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  7. Zbigniew

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    I've posted long and detailed reviews when I buy services here. If they are negative, it doesn't take long before newbie-accounts starts posting "placed ANOTHER order great service" and "send sampl plz i will order now" - which digs down the negative reviews.

    I've bought services where the links are suspended/dead within 6 months, services with no reports that seem to give you less links than you pay for, sellers that will spam your email to death and so on.

    I'm all for honest reviews.
     
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  8. MisterF

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    I'm sorry that you've has these issues with some sellers.

    As @Zwielicht states "For Buyers: The quality of the product or service that I receive is what you should expect, or better. If you feel that the quality of the service has dropped significantly, please let us know via the report button."

    What I will say is if issues cannot be resolved then Shitlist is one avenue open to you.
    All we need is copies of conversations etc.

    Any seller who is threatening to neg seo your site, will be banned from the forum.
     
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  9. Festinger

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    Thanks for testing this man!
     
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  10. Holzr

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    There are still very good links and sellers here on BHW but it takes work to find them and recommendations usually in private from reputable members. I take reviews with a pinch of salt. Reviews from some reputable members here far outweighs a bunch from random members and Jr. VIPs. You need to crawl through pages and pages.

    The biggest thing to learn from these cheap links is you get what you pay for. Unfortunately these links are often bought by newbies who don't understand much about SEO and there sites suffer. These links are not going away anytime soon. Sorry for issues you had OP.
     
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  11. MisterF

    MisterF Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Closed groups are against the forum rules mate, same as for sellers creating their own closed groups.

    ALL reviews should be impartial and honest. I had sellers a few years ago send me review copies on here, delivered the report and their wording was; please leave me positive review on my BST here....

    My reply was; I'll check the links/content/software and I'll leave an honest feedback.
     
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  12. LongestSpider

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    Finally some sense. I've been looking through SEO packages, and after talking to many of the sellers, I don't think they have the expertise to execute what they advertise...

    ps- I dropped popcorn on the floor....
     
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  13. Ashway

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    Thanks you OP for posting this.

    I feel there should be a thread similar to shitlist. It will be just about posting negative experience/review which you had with the seller. And it should be stickied to all sellers BST. This is so that negative reviews doesnt do down under sample please posts.
     
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  14. SEOzack

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    Exactly what @Holzr stated.

    Buy cheap and get cheap.

    There are some diamonds around but realistically you need to do your research and be prepared to spend $$$ not $.
     
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  15. Zbigniew

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    Oh ok, so I will not create a group then. I just thought I had seen groups somwhere on the site, but maybe they were not closed or perhaps it was another forum.

    And I totally agree with you. I once received a review copy, which horrible - and I wrote that in my review. All hell broke lose and the seller started writing to me that "review copies are supposed to be good!!" and all that.

    I will edit my other post regarding groups, as I will not create one. My bad.
     
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  16. mikey29

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    We do have a positive, neutral or negative feedback but it really does not apply to sellers plus on sale thread it is no use.

    Example I have 190 positive which means thanks. I never sold anything before

    Another forum I know has Trader score

    It should only apply to sellers in sales thread not regular threads because of flaming.

    Also maybe a certain tab for reviews.

    Because most sellers are smart and use buyers to bump threads like comment below 15 percent off. It pushes reviews out of sight
     
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    75% of the market is complete trash, newbies are introduced to IM and are tricked by these sellers and end up having their websites ruined. There are a load of fake reviews on here so you can't always trust them, and sellers provide mods and reputable members with special treatment for their reivews.

    Despite this, there are still a handful of good services on here. You just have to dig through the shit to find the gems.
     
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  18. Billy Batts

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    Great. Everytime I'm asked to review something I always tell them that if I come across something negative I will state that too.

    Maybe that's why I'm getting less invites these days hahaha :D
     
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    Personally, I always make sure I make the negatives clear with any review I leave, but it's clear to me that most reviewers do not feel comfortable doing that as it's risky and sometimes sellers can get pissed off about it.

    If you're sure you want to pay for link building to a site you care about, there are a couple of things you can do to lower the risk:
    • make a test order to a dummy site so you can evaluate the quality of the service
    • ask the service provider pre-sales questions, like if they own the network
    If you're unhappy with any link building service, let the provider know why straight away and given them a chance to fix it. If they don't, and what you received is not what was promised, ask for a refund and alert the mods.
     
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  20. MisterF

    MisterF Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Feel free to PM me or one of the other staff with evidence of this, otherwise this is pure BS.