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Tired of My White Hat Sites Getting Outranked by Spammers!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ntnsllc, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. ntnsllc

    ntnsllc Regular Member

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    I play both sides of the fence, as I'm sure we all do. I have extremely white hat sites and I have some sites with considerable amounts of spam. I'm getting tired of having to explain to my clients why their competitors who are using lots of outdated link spam tactics are outranking them. So I'm wondering if I can ask for some help....

    I see LOTS of sites ranking which started linkspam campaigns back in April/May. The Majestic SEO link history on all these looks the same...a couple thousand links right in the beginning...then NOTHING. And they're still ranking even post penguin 2.0. Even with very over optimized anchors. some of them look to be mostly Xrumer profiles (or some other software creating profile spam). Some are probably SAPE or some other network (footer and sidebar links on Russian/chinese/etc sites), and then there are a bunch of blog network posts.

    Does anyone know of or have a service that does BULK blog network submissions? And by Bulk I don't mean 200 posts for $500....I'm looking for 1,000 posts or more to get 1,000 or more linking root domains. I don't want to publicly out a network, but I see one that is pretty effective. So if you PM me, I'll share. But it's a pretty spammy looking network with a very obvious footprint...still indexed. And posts are still going to it. Sites are still outranking me.

    I'm on a mission to rank a low quality affiliate doorway page (trying to duplicate what I'm seeing). If you PM me and want to figure this out together I'm open to share what I see...kw's, domains, full link reports, etc.

    Are any of you having success with huge blog networks similar to ALN still? I'm seeing these types of links STILL being built to sites that are STILL ranking very well. any help would be appreciated.
     
  2. Vic Sage

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    For bulk blog network submission, try Authority Link Network or Free Blog Network..they are the current best. Specially Free Blog Network. I use 'em as Tier-2 most of the time...but for churn and burn these are great as well.
     
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    mikeydell Senior Member

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    Id suggest checking out some of the blognetwork sellers here on the board, they can deliver some great results, and with $500 to spend as you say in your post, your not going to have a issue finding a seller to work with you to give you exactly what your looking for.
     
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  4. VinceC

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    I suggest using the $500 for quality High PR blogs instead of 200. The High PR juice really works and do wonders. Search here in BST you can find some good gems laying around.
     
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  5. ntnsllc

    ntnsllc Regular Member

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    thanks everyone. I have and do buy blog network posts from several sellers here. And I've been happy with every one. However, the ones I'm buying from don't get me many domains for $500. And I'm still not outranking the spammers who are getting 1k to 2k crappy blog posts probably for much less than $500. I thought about throwing $500 into some SAPE links...and I might just try that. Anyone here have success ranking a one page (doorway) page? I see the .webs.com subdomains ranking pretty well in various niches with really spammy backlink profiles and worse on page content that often isn't even relevant. Anyway, really...thanks for the suggestions. Sometime it feels good to vent I guess.
     
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    Take a look of the magic network in the BST.
     
  7. Veyron

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    Let your clients and customers know that SHORTcuts get your nowhere in the LONGrun. Explain to them that these sites that are using "Spammy" backlink building tactics/methods will only work in the short term and that the service(s) that you're offering are services that will work for the long term ultimately bringing them a better return on their investment. Also, let them know that these kinds of sites using these methods are against the guideline policies of Google and that they're proactively working on penalizing these sites.

    Wording it this way will be an easy way for your client(s) to understand why they're being out ranked while continuing to use you for your services. I've had multiple clients that were getting out ranked from these types of sites and I've been in the same situation as you and ultimately I always get my clients ranked in the long term and they usually stay there so just let them know that good rankings come with time and effort but the time, effort and money that goes into it will eventually pay off. I hope this helps and I wish you luck!

    Veyron
     
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  8. ntnsllc

    ntnsllc Regular Member

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    quick question on Free Blog Network......how do I get in?! It seems locked down.
     
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    You're in the wrong forum.

    Also "PROOF" while I hear this kind of bullshit all over the place (essp after a Google update) I never see any of these "White Hat Evangelists" come up with any PROOF.

    "Google are proactively working" Yes - that's true - they are also having MINIMAL success and have been proactively working for at LEAST 11 years since "Google Fritz" marked
    (and this is Googles own words) "The end of spam and the ability of dubious techniqes and linking to rank websites high in our index" In.......?? ....2002 FFS


    Google Dewey
    Google Cassandra
    Google Alice
    Google Big Daddy

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...8539-long-view-perspective-penguin-2-0-a.html

    and many many more have ALL said the same thing year after year after year. And guess what?
    The underlying ability of bulk links (with subtle changes to process and context) to rank is 100% the same as it was 11/12 years ago.

    HOW LONG TERM DO YOU WANT IT TO BE?
     
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    As an SEO company working with good authorative sites we're also tired of this.

    We are looking at the data on all of our sites and watching as our own microsites outperform our main sites by huge factors.

    In terms of quality, authority and user experience none of this makes any sense to us. We see no reason why Google would want the microsites to rank better. However Google's policies and what the algorithm is actually doing are two completely different things.

    The way in which SEO is approached in 2013 has changed for us completely. However it has also opened the doors up to many new techniques and the SERPs are no longer a linear contest for backlink dominance, there are now an extreme amount of opportunities to outrank what we can only describe as better websites.

    It is no longer the best site which ranks, it is the sneakiest.
     
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    The point most are missing is that no algo can be totally accurate determining the "real value" of your content no matter how smart. It's at best a decent guesstimate... So my friendly suggestion is start doing the same: I would venture even further by considering the SEO game a very darwinian one... Might not be right, but at the end of the day if you're in for the long haul profit-wise you either outrank your competitors or you'll end up losing a fuckton of time and money. Plus all the aggravation... That's why I always found pretty laughable when a lot of ppl for years have said to go "whitehat" because this and that...
     
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    I have seen people with spammy links escape every penguin update over and over again and I have also seen people doing all white hat suffer from this update. What you need to understand is how the algo metrics works and you'll be a WINNER.:)
     
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    there is no more long run
    there will be always short run sites which will outrank this long run sites
    this seems like the future
     
  15. ntnsllc

    ntnsllc Regular Member

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    My thoughts exactly! Of course I've told all that stuff to my client. Some of them just don't care anymore. It's been three years of back and forth. Sometimes we outrank them...most times we don't. And when we do outrank them it's very "short term." I'd say unless you're Wikipedia...your white hat rankings are "short term." You'll be outranked by a spammer if you're in niche where someone cares to rank. Needless to say...I'm building a few more micro sites and will just keep redirecting them when they lose ranking every 6 months to a year. (my last one was good for almost 2 years)!