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Throwing time and mostly $$$ at a site in competitive niche [journal]

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by sampo1time, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. sampo1time

    sampo1time Regular Member

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    A little background info on myself - I have been doing IM for about 8 years. Failed miserably for the first 4 years trying to write articles/reviews manually for CB products, building sites for adsense, MLM, HYIP, stocks, options and anything related to making money online. You name it I've probably failed at it. I didn't really start to become successful till I started reading posts here on BHW. For the past few years my online income has consisted 100% of BH and automated methods.

    I'm going to step outside my box and try to build a legit site, like I tried so many years ago, and see if it turns out profitable. The difference now is that I have the funds to make it easier (maybe). So I'm making the journal to* keep me motivated and so those interested may follow along. Also maybe get some useful tips from experienced members and if I'm successful, provide a nice blueprint to follow for those interested in doing something similar.

    What I have done so far:

    Decided to go with the health niche, as it has always been profitable for me. Did very minor KW research using G's KW tool.

    Chose the one of the highest exact match searched KW's - 135000 exact 90000 exact local searches. Would be very easy for me to monetize if I were to rank well.

    Bought the almost EMD.com (one extra word)

    Went down the KW results list and chose 15 more related KW's that I thought would be very easy to monetize and fit well with the sites main topic. These 15 KW's had exact local searches ranging from 5000-18000.

    I haven't even checked the competition on these KW's and I don't plan to. *I was just purely looking at the amount of traffic that they get and if I could monetize them.

    The Plan:

    So the plan simply is to rank well for all these KW's and get a ass load of traffic and turn that into a load of $$$.

    As you can clearly see from what I have done so far I am by no means a SEO or KW research expert. But I would like to see if I could fix that problem by throwing some $$$ at it.

    Since content is supposedly king I will be using a 1000+ word high quality LSI articles for each KW to intrigue and keep readers on site and also for SEO purposes. These will run $20 each.

    I will upload these manually as I get them or when I get time and do the basic on page SEO - title, desc, kw tags, H1, H2, bold, italicize, 2-3 pics with KW alt text. Will read up a bit more on what else on page SEO I could do - tips welcomed :)

    I have a VA to do the link building to each page. Will consist of 20 web 2.0 properties, 3000 AMR submissions, youtube videos, docs, RSS feeds, bookmarking, ping and SB everything. Cost is $300 a month.

    Will also be using BTB linkpushing to each page as I am already subscribed to this service and purchase some edu/gov links to go along with that. And just for the hell of it I will probably throw some fiverr Xrumer blasts at everything but my money site.

    Site will be using wordpress for content management. I usually use a plain thesis theme for micro sites but not sure what I will use on this one. I'm thinking I want the home page to have the main KW article static with teasers of the 3-4 most recent posts below. Any suggestions?

    Also looking for suggestions on plugins that would be good for this type of site. Maybe some that would help with internal linking.

    I will also create a simple FB fanpage and post or like each article. Will also pay for a few thousand supposed REAL fans. I have no idea if this helps with SEO, ranking, or anything at all. But it's just been something I wanted to try for some time. Not sure on the cost for this, will look for a* supposed REAL fan provider when page is up.

    Create a twitter account and tweet every post. Will also pay for a few thousand followers. Again, I have no idea if this helps with SEO, ranking, or anything at all. But it's just been something I wanted to try for some time. Not sure on cost, will look for provider when it's set up.

    May do the same for google + as with FB. On the fence about that one. Even though mostly everything so far is outsourced it is still more work than I am accustomed to :D

    I'm thinking it will take a month or so for me to get all the articles up and everything set up. And not planning on seeing any noticeable results till 4 months from then (this may be a very optimistic outlook)

    Well that's it for now stay tuned for updates if you're interested. If it's profitable I will continue with this setup and add more content and expand. If it's not I will continue to throw cash at it and tweak the plan till I feel it is a loss.

    Suggestions and questions welcomed.
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  2. Virus1

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    It seems that you are outsourcing everything..... mostly everything.

    except the keyword research...
    you should outsource the keyword research.

    if you get the wrong keyword....all your work will be for nothing.
     
  3. sampo1time

    sampo1time Regular Member

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    Good point. But I already chose my KWs and bought a domain. I will look into outsourcing KW research if I cant rank for my current KWs.
     
  4. sampo1time

    sampo1time Regular Member

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    UPDATE:

    So far I put in the orders for the 15 premium content articles. Installed WP and decided to go with the tried and true thesis theme. Installed some plugins

    • SEO SearchTerms Tagging 2
    • YARPP
    • SEO Smart Links
    • SEO Friendly Images
    • Auto SEO tags
    • W3 Total Cache
    • WP Tweet Button
    • Fix Facebook Like
    • WP Google Plus One

    I created my first Twitter account ever for this website. And I can't see why people love twitter. Doesn't seem very user friendly to me. But I'll still continue with my plan maybe it will be good for some links or something.

    Pretty much just waiting on the articles for now. In the mean time I've been watching tutorials on how to make the site look a little better than the plain white that thesis usually rocks.
     
  5. yubrew

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    I'm seconding getting kw research done by either you or someone else that knows what they're doing. I'm trying to do something pretty similar to you, with $5k. I spent almost $1k so far and haven't done much backlinking, just getting 100 articles with each article focused on a particular kw. But then I realize that I wasted a lot of the article money on bad kw's from not doing proper kw analysis.
     
  6. sampo1time

    sampo1time Regular Member

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    Don't count those bad keywords out yet. Links are very important also. Maybe when you start building links to all your articles you will rank for some longtails that you didn't think off. Or if you're interlinki g your articles, your bad kw articles might not rank, but they have relevance, and linking to a more powerful kw articles might help boost that articles position.

    As far as my KW research I just seen high search volumes and high competition, which means money to me. Some other guy made it to the top so I figure so can I lol.
     
  7. VaPaperChaser

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    Hi,

    Thanks for sharing the useful information.
     
  8. hameem

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    A bit off topic question.

    What have you been doing in the last 4 years to make money? I mean, MNS, adsense, ppc, cpa...? And, what have you been most successful with?
     
  9. sampo1time

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    I have been using all black hat methods. Most of my start up income came from methods that are no longer allowed to be spoken about here. I also created my own products so that that I can run whatever traffic I want to it without need to hide the referrer or massive scrubbing. Trust me, from some BH methods I used I know that CPA networks scrub leads A LOT. But from a business point of view they have to, to stay in business due to all the fraud :eek:
     
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  10. m3ownz

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    A few things you may already know/do but worth mentioning anyway:

    1. Dont let your VA get 'inspiration' from your paid articles. I have had this happen before when they just basically badly spin your paid content for 2.0s. This can badly deplete your sites quality and relevance if the copies get indexed 1st, plus others will steal and spin your articles if your site gets popular, why add to the mix. Make sure they use other peoples articles for reference.

    2. Wordpress interlinking plugins are all usefull to a point, but if you are paying this much for content, do it yourself, you have much better control.

    3.Add all the articles you get and use the wp scheduling feature to add them over time

    4. Use multiple twitter feed accounts with multiple twitter accounts to auto tweet your articles. As to why its useful, its not really about the twitter backlinks themselves. 1st spiders love twitter so it really helps indexing. 2nd a lot of 'reputable' sites like major news outlets scrape twitter to find content to add to 'related news' or 'from around the web' sidebars. I have got links form PR7 sites for free after some decent twitter spam!

    WP********* used to be excellent for this, though it fucked up for a while so i dont know if it still works. Tweetattacks is also solid.

    5. Dont neglect your category pages. If set up correctly with good post grouping (you mentioned lsi so i guess you know what your doing here) and a decent 600 words plus category description, displayed by your theme, these can be the easiest pages to rank as they have oft updated relevant content.

    6. tag pages can fuck up your indexing, make sure they have only title and links, or max a very short excerpt.
     
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    Great post bro! For #6, do you mean we shouldn't add tags to our posts?
     
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    Im jusy starting something similar. Will follow your progress. Only difference is i am outsourcing some articles and that's it.
     
  13. m3ownz

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    @thedon23

    No tags are fine, its just when wordpress generates like 500 tag pages with full posts, you get tons of duplicated content, and often the tag pages may outrank the categories and posts, but not be optimized for sales etc, so make sure your tag pages only show small excerpts, not full posts.
     
  14. sampo1time

    sampo1time Regular Member

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    This is the kind of tips I was looking for. Thanks. I will verify with my VA about the spun articles.

    Do you recommend any WP plugins for interlinking? I can see how linking manually would be better than smart SEO links but what about YARPP? Or should the recent posts in the sidebar be enough to link to other articles?

    Also could you elaborate on the tagging. Is tagging good or bad? I have marker them as index and no index in other blogs and I'm not sure which is more beneficial. Does more tags dilute the importance a couple targeted ones?

    The twitter explanation is golden. I really don't like their platform after having a quick look at it. But I will be looking for someone tweet the shit out of my posshit out of my posts or I might have a look at tweetattacks and try my hand at it.
     
  15. m3ownz

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    YARPP is pretty solid, i still use it on a lot of sites if they are designed as information sites. The ones to avoid on high quality sites are the ones than search the post DB and hyperlink words in the post body to other posts. These are fine for autoblogs but can get a bit screwy so best avoided on quality sites.

    Re tagging, in not 100% sure nowadays. Google bot used to think tag pages where crack cocaine - it couldnt help its self, but it seems to have gone to rehab lately.
    I would think the best bet it use tags, but a few quality ones not thousands. And limit the tag pages content to short excerpts.

    As to twitter, yeah im no big fan of it for recreation, but for seo, its important. About the platform, well you never have to use it anyway.
    Buy some activated twitter accounts (fiverr will do) and add them to whatever tool you want to use, either free web based like twitterfeed or desktop like tweetattacks or hootsuite (not a spam tool per say, but manages multiple accounts and is still free i think)
     
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  16. maxok

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    suscribe to this thread, very interesting, so 8 years in IM and you just now start with this project? You must know a lot about that, so good luck I will follow your advance
    So at the moment a cost of 400 month??
     
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    sampo1time Regular Member

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    8 years, yes. But only the last four have been successful using BH methods only. As a total newbie 8 years ago my first go at a legit site was to build a "how to make money online" site. Naturally I failed miserably because I never did make money online, only read a bunch of hyped up ebooks that made me believe it was easy and that I knew everything about it. lol

    I am only starting this project now because I have the funds from my BH projects to have another go at it and expedite the process. I am from the US and have gone to college and fully capable of writing great articles. But I HATE writing and researching stuff that I really don't care about. Hence the outsourcing of articles.

    The only linkbuilding I ever did was scrapebox blasts. I have read numerous posts and articles on the supposed correct/best way to backlink. But this would require me to learn how to use a whole bunch of different software (which I really wouldn't mind doing if I got paid doing it lol - that stuff interests me) which would require a lot of time. Hence the outsourcing of linkbuilding.

    So really I don't know a lot about building a legit site. I am basically just taking all the theories that I think make sense and paying to have everything done to see if it works.

    So far my bill is at

    domain: $10
    articles: $332

    I already had the VA on my payroll and the BTB linkpushing service but will direct their efforts purely to this site when the articles start to arrive. So I am not including that as a bill yet.

    So I'm not sure what the monthly cost will be when everything gets rolling and how often I will add articles etc...

    But from a general point of view I don't mind spending $2000/month if it brings me back $10000 or even $4000/month.
     
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    sampo1time Regular Member

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    UPDATE:

    Not too much going on. Still waiting on the articles to come in. I have just been learning how to customize my wp theme and trying to optimize as much as possible. I am trying to model the layout and colors similar to a top authority site in the niche. Designed a custom png header and favicon also.

    I also started the VA building links to the site even though there nothing on it but the title lol. I have no idea if this will help or even might be bad. But whatever I'm impatient and want to get this show on the road.
     
  19. sudirboi

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    follow your journey

    thanks to share
     
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    I have done your exact plan but started 3 months ago... Totally whitehat site in the health niche. Paying for high quality long articles with pictures. It is a bitch to try to rank. So many .gov and .edu sites near top in serps. So far has yielded nothing for me. Good luck, interested to see if u have better luck.