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Thoughts on the Illegality of Spam

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by JellyDonuts, Apr 16, 2012.

  1. JellyDonuts

    JellyDonuts BANNED BANNED

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    Today I got to thinking a little about the whole tweetattacks lawsuit, and what the true nature of spam is.

    Can't it be argued that spam is simply advertisements? What really separates email/forum/twitter spam from any other type of advertisement? Did I opt-in to have my skylines assaulted with commercial billboards? Did I opt-in to have my tv shows interrupted by commercials? Did I choose to view magazine ads? Yet that's all perfectly legal and are accepted as part of those experiences. Indeed, advertisements seem to have been embraced by the western world, as we routinely buy clothing with the companys logo on it.

    This is why the whole idea of a spam-free inbox being a civil right seems totally absurd to me. It just seems like a measure to control the channels of advertisement, giving it to private companies. Google is obviously a big one, as are the hollywood conglomerates who control the media.

    The only thing that I can understand as an abnormal violation of people's rights is the monetary effect that spam can have on website owners as you use up their bandwidth for your own purposes. But seeing as how most hosting packages bandwidth is measured in gigabytes, this isn't going to take down a site. Spamming a few comments does not equal a ddos attack. The most significant effect is time wasted, same as any other advertisement, unless your spamming them with links to 'bad neighborhoods'

    So, my opinion is that companies can create their own TOS and prohibit advertisements on their site, but making it illegal is totally absurd. We can all move to Romania if it does happen though

    Thoughts?
     
  2. bashhunter

    bashhunter Regular Member

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    Spam = dilute website content

    People go to forum for content

    diluted content = less people go to their forum

    --> they loose money

    Hope that clear things up for you.
     
  3. 75INZ

    75INZ Regular Member

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    TV Commercials pay for the TV shows.
    Magazine Advertisements pay for the magazine.
    That billboard may be allowing your favourite pub to stay open.

    And so on.

    Spam doesn't 'support' whatever it is that is being spammed the way these do.
    The hundreds of thousands of (semi:p) spam I sent using Tweet Attacks never paid a penny for Twitter to stay in business.
     
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  4. JellyDonuts

    JellyDonuts BANNED BANNED

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    I get that it dilutes content, but the point here is whether or not email spam (and potentially other types of spam) should be illegal. All advertising dilutes content.

    Also, I actually stand by my billboard example. There is no system that this is supporting. And what if the billboard is advertising the pub that I hate the most? Advertising doens't guarantee that quality products are being advertised. What if it's advertising some abortion clinic and I'm pro choice, for example? It's not helping me in any way and is in fact making my experience of driving down the road worse in some cases.

    Some more examples of blatant advertising not supporting the system: a preacher going to a mall and shouting out his messages, a guy in a hot dog costume on the side of the road (how does this help the state?), political campaigns in public places, when you walk through the mall and see a guy in an Ed Hardy shirt...I know that there are more examples but I'm too tired to think of many right now.

    Again though, this post was meant to be about it being illegal. I wasn't trying to deny that spam can have negative effects. Many things are legal that can potentially hurt others.
     
  5. bashhunter

    bashhunter Regular Member

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    That pretty much sums up everything

    Spam hurt business and they don't bring back anything for them.
     
  6. artificial_genius

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    Spam is ok as long as the email provider is ok with it.

    As in, it is ok to spam Gmail accounts as long as Google is ok with it.

    Back in the very early ages of the internet, that is what some email providers would do. An email provider would allow certain people to send "emails" to all the accounts that email provider owned.

    But if a mail provider (Gmail/Yahoo/etc.) do not want you to be able to send unsolicited emails, then you shouldn't be allowed to.

    Just like if ESPN doesn't want somebody to advertise on their TV channel, they won't let them.