Discussion in 'CPA' started by BigHustlah, May 21, 2009.
You can cancel. The lines are usually extremely busy though.
Agreed. That is what 90% of these companies are doing, as they rely on the people forgetting (which almost always happens). Why not just wait a week to charge? If you REALLY want to know how to get away with this, sign up from an existing acai berry company that does this, and when you are charged the rediculous amount, call and complain, and then listen to how they defend themselves.
As long as I put something neutral in the capsules to avoid allergic reaction, and wait a fair 7 days before I hit their credit card for $80, I should be ok. Some people (lots) will be pissed, for sure, same goes for any company out there offering acai right now. I'm thinking of the end result. An offer that pays well, with a good affiliate marketing company, could just blow wide open. I would just have to pay $40 per lead for a week or two to get everyones attention, then drop it down to $35 or $30.
There has to be some laws regarding how long a cc can be rebilled after a trial period or whatever.
Ladies and Gentlemen let me add my 2 cents worth of advice. The pills cost next to nothing to produce and probably do contain Acai (if you think it works it probably will is what get's people buying this stuff).
Secondly if you screw people they will just charge back on the CC and then you are out of pocket straight away.
The CC merchants will always favor customer as they assume merchants lie more than customers (go figure).
People may be stupid buying this junk but they are not going to let you screw them for $80 and get away with it.
Charge after 14 days and people forget it and just keep taking them or feel they have to keep the ones they have.
Better yet charge after 30 days almost no one send them back and you make your profit for longer.
Keep the charge under the radar and they will buy for ever paypal is even better as people generally forget that paypal is real money.
yeah, it's a great plan on how to lose your merchant account in less than 7 days. you HAVE to honor refund requests, else u get unsane amount of chargebacks and your merch account gets closed.
Agreed. Keep your methods BH and keep yourself out of jail.
You'll be in jail, assets seized and charged with more than fraud. good luck tho. blackhat and illegal are 2 different things. ripping people off with fake shit and charging them for it is lame in my opinion, i dont care what other companies do it or who does it, it is lame. If you check the forums and posts around the web you'll find very tenacious customers have not only cancelled the rebills but also gotten their money back from their cc company.
credit card purchases are protected and as the merchant you'll be the one out of pocket because someone will find out that what you're selling is shit in a gold plate wrapper.
i agree u wont get rich doing email submits but do something blackhat dude, plenty of idea around.
but you do not know what is neutral, some people can react to things differently than other people. to 99.99% of people, maybe it is neutral, but to that other .01% it may not be.
blackhat is one thing, but when you start messing with things that people are putting into their bodies you are way over the line.
And this is his "best" idea...
Yes you can put a sugar pill but my point is you're flat out ripping people off by not giving them what they paid for. even if they had 1% acai in 'em its giving them something.
Just sell real acai berry stuff there are loads of suppliers out there and just setup a 1 day free trial where they get sent the thing then after they recieve it charge them $100 to continue the acai berry stuff and charge them $100 every week.
There isn't anything wrong with a free trial and then charging them later. But you need to have it clearly states in the terms and conditions for them. The best system i've seen is an automated telephone system where they enter their card number to cancel.
The key to these diet pill things, is to outsource the pill creation to a company who knows what to do. You have to comply with FDA laws and all that jazz.
I really like this OP's thinking
maybe not on this acai thing kid but u got some head there
Keep askin questions
sieve the answers then wot do they say 'rinse and repeat'/'flip' wotever...
BigHustla - i never forget a name
why mess with health stuff .. that's just asking for trouble if you don't know what you are doing ..
You can give them a free shaving cream and charge them monthly for razor blades, you can give them a free dvd with movie trailers and charge them for buying 5 more dvds, you can give them a free magazine in whatever niche (playboy?) and bill them every month after that ... There's so many other ways to do it ...
It's not messing with health if the pill is -nothing-. I'm not going to put peanuts or some other weird crap that people will be allergic to. Probably just cheap fiber pills or something like that.
Let's not get caught up debating details...the idea is to sell it with affiliates and charge people shortly after the trial period starts. Then hit them for the larger amount (have it written in fine print).
Fundamentally, the idea is good, IMO.
it doesn't have to be something common like peanuts to have a reaction in some people.
it doesnt even have to be an allery reaction at all, lots of people are on medications these days that have specific requirements like not having the simplest of things like certain fruits, foods or drinks. what you fill the capsules with could contain or be made from such a substance.
diabetics have to watch their sugar intakes, etc.
you dont want to be responsible if someone has some serious health issue, or even death
you can get unbranded acai dirt cheap use that and still make a killing, no need to be greedy and put someones health in danger.
and beside all that, yes it is illegal to sell something and give something else knowingly. and you most likely will get a harsh sentence if you are found out
Just for the record, you can and possibly will go to jail for fraudulent charges from trial offers on credit cards, regardless of any fine print. Google Steve Warshak, the founder of Enzyte (Smiling Bob Ads) and you'll see that he and his mother and some other employess were convicted and he got 25 years in jail and had to forfeit $500 million in assets. Just because this hasn't happened to some of these Acai companies yet doesn't mean that it can't happen to them or anyone else in the future.
This is illegal and you will go to jail if caught.
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