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This might have been my best idea I've ever had...

Discussion in 'CPA' started by BigHustlah, May 21, 2009.

  1. BigHustlah

    BigHustlah Power Member

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    What is to stop me from making an acai berry company, then get my offer promoted with all the affiliate networks, that does the same thing as all the others, charge $5 for shipping, even if they try and cancel, turn around and charge them $80 more the next day, then no matter what happens just send them some multivitamins or better yet, fiber/colon cleanse pills?

    It would be raking in the dough and have half the country shitting their pants!

    What do you think? Surefire plan?
     
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    first its fraud, 2nd its over saturated.


    Sorry but thats my opinion even though its very harsh
     
  3. BigHustlah

    BigHustlah Power Member

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    Well, yeah, slightly fraudulent, but look at what all these other companies are doing. Do you think they pour tons and tons of money into their pills? Hell no! I would be shocked if they even had acai berry in them! It's a business decision...if I pull in 5 million from the business operation, and pay 1 million in fines...that puts me 4 million in the black.
     
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    What if you have to pay 6 million for fines and class action lawsuits? :D
     
  5. Jcsarokin

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    thats 100% fraud and illegal. You will get shut down and likely thrown in jail.

    your saying that you get their cc number, then if they try to cancel just charge them anyways? Your stealing also lol.

    If it were that easy everyone would be doing it.
     
  6. BigHustlah

    BigHustlah Power Member

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    I'm not suggesting doing anything illegal...just very grey area. I would get some attorney to write up crazy fine print for me that says its ok that I charge them $80 like 24 hours after they sign up, non-refundable and all that...
     
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    K but the point your missing is that its not legal lol.

    Breaking the law is breaking the law no matter the fine print.

    Say you have in the fine print that if they go for the free trial, you have the right to go to their home and rob it. Legal or no?
     
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    6 months too late
     
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    Well this IS what the companies do, they put in the fine print that if they don't cancel, a charge of 80 bucks is made after a certain amount of time, hell. Sometimes even when they cancel before that allotted time, they're still charged. Because of the fine print, they can get away with it.

    Yes, the fine print can make it legal.
     
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    I get what your saying rider but in his OP he said "turn around and charge them $80 more the next day"... You cant do that. They didnt even get the free trial yet and you charged them 80... you can bet that there would be some legal problems with that.

    If they forget to cancel or something thats shady, but not illegal. But not giving them the chance to cancel would make it illegal (im pretty sure).
     
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    Good luck making something that makes that legal :D
     
  12. BigHustlah

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    I mean, other companies are doing this same thing right? It's a risk vs. reward. If I do this, am I going to go to jail for a long time? No. Will I go to jail at all? Probably not. Pay some fines, cease and desist, sure. Whatever. I think it can be done. We've got to think big if we want to make any money these days.

    I don't know about you guys, but $1.05 email submits are not going to make me rich anytime soon.
     
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    As far as I know this is legal, I don't think you can go and charge them the very next day, but a Free Trial, and then "Get billed 7 days later" must be completely allowed as there are a tonne of people doing it.
     
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    This is highly illegal. You're charging someone's credit credit without their permission. Furthermore, I don't see this type of business lasting very long. Remember that you will have to use a credit card processor; either a private one or paypal. Either way, you will get so many chargebacks that they will cancel your account.

    Don't want to take our word for it and you want to argue the legalities? Then go ahead and give it a try, see how long it lasts ans see how long it takes the FBI or the attorney general to come down hard on you.
     
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    Well, despite the thousands of companies that pop up daily doing this, it is further from being saturated anytime soon. So, yeah it is still a good biz idea.

    Forget about "turning around customers" and *stealing* their money. You are missing the main simple system. Following the 7 day trial system ethically and the right way, is more than enough to make you good money, as more than 50% of people forget to cancel anyway.

    I'm sure you had the same question some of us had "Why the heck is every guide trying to teach you how to become a CPA affiliate rather than having your own offer on CPA networks?!".

    Sometimes CPA networks are just like casinos. It should be fairly obvious that the only people making real money in a casino is THE HOUSE... not the average player...

    In the CPA world, the only people making the real money is the HOUSE... the CPA network itself and the offers it runs. Not the average affiliate.

    The odds are stacked against you. So, yeah, it is a good idea to get your offer out there on some networks.
     
  16. bbyte

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    You're a dumb fuck if you think that's how these companies work.

    "even if they try and cancel, turn around and charge them $80 more the next day"

    Seriously, what are you thinking? Do you even know how these offers work? You need to have a phone line available so your customers can cancel whenever they want. Most offers also rebill after about 7 days, not the next day. If you don't offer a custom the ability to cancel the rebills, you're doing plain fraud.

    You'll also need a lot of capital for this venture, it requires a serious cash flow. You'll need a merchant account to handle payments and do the rebills, you need your own product line, a small call center, shipping that you need to take care of, and a lot of cash to pay your affiliates. If you just get 100 leads a day (which is very little), you'll need 3 grand a day to pay off the CPA network (affiliates).
     
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    Just to add to your words... Forgot to mention:

    Don't even think about trying this, if you don't have at least $10K-$20K.

    CPA Networks ask for Initial Security deposit which is usually $10,000 (It might be less or high depending on network... don't know exactly) to start promoting your offers on their network as Advertiser.

    Bottom line, it needs careful study and planning before jumping in.
     
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    putting all the payment issues aside for a second..

    if you sell something that is supposed to be acai berry, and you fill the bottle with something else, as you claimed you want to do, than you are setting yourself up for charges a lot worse than fraud. there are a lot of people out there with allergies and food allergies, and if someone takes something that is supposed to be acai berry and it is actually something else, and they have a serious reaction and possibly die, well the fraud charges are going to be the least of your worries.
     
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    Looks like the read the OP wrong, I thought you were asking about creating your own "Free Trial" CPA offer, charging consumers even after they have canceled is highly illegal especially if your free trial are fake pills.

    However making a legit free trial offer could be very profitable (although a lot of work) clearly stating users will be billed once their "7 Day Free Trial" is up or whatever.
     
  20. masterfunkd

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    I just saw an article on google news i believe about the fbi seizing records from 2 'free trial' acai companies that did exactly what you're suggesting. They'll almost definitely be facing legal action eventually.

    But good luck. Enjoy pmita prison