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This is ridiculous. I'm losing my mind. How do you SEO folks spin articles so fast?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SpiderBlast, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. SpiderBlast

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    I make a good living online. About $6,000-$8,000 a month.
    I LOVE putting together websites, I love doing graphics, I love making videos, I love outsourcing SEO, I love ranking local sites and selling leads.

    I might even go as far as saying I'm good at it.

    But what I HATE, what I DESPISE WITH A PASSION, is GENERATING A NEW SPINTAX FOR EVERY SITE I MAKE.

    I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. It takes the "fun" out of the entire process.

    But I do not think it is something I can outsource. Why? Because it takes me about 40-60 hours to write 1 proper spintax. It is a grueling, eye fatiguing, stressful, brain scrambling process.

    I am in the process again right now and want to jump through a window.

    ESPECIALLY when I visit SEO gigs on here and read stuff like this:

    There is a gig called "GreySaga" (I'm ONLY using this as an example and there are 100 other examples I could have chosen), for $58 he'll do a ton of backlinking and what not.

    Here is the gig -
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/seo-link-building/540643-search-engine-optimization-greysaga-affordable-google-ranking-solution-low-medium-competition-keyword-25-a.html

    THIS IS WHAT CONFUSES ME. If you scan down to "how about the article used", it says this -

    We find out best matching article in your niche, combine it and create multi level spin article (word, sentence, paragraph) with 10 sentence variation, 4-10 paragraph variation, media rich and SEO optimized.

    It also says they use a "better thesaurus" to avoid crap spun articles, grammar mistakes and what not.

    NOW PLEASE HEAR ME OUT HERE.
    THIS IS MY QUESTION:


    HOW IN THE WORLD ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS, DOING A 10 SENTENCE VARIATION, 4-10 PARAGRAPH VARIATION, 80% UNIQUE SPINTAX?

    I'm doing 1 spintax, I aim for about 90%, I only do 10 sentence variations, and 3 paragraph variations, but it takes me about 40-60 hours to finish it (sometimes more tbo).

    Here are my thoughts -

    1) If he's charging $58 for all that backlinking in ADDITION to the spintax... it can't take him more than an hour or 2, or $5-10 bucks to outsource the creation of that spintax. Something is GRAVELY wrong about how I do my spintaxs. If people can throw in an 80% spun spintax, like its nothing, as part of an SEO service... I don't understand how they're doing them so fast. If someone tried to pay ME, just to do a spintax (the way I do it) I'd probably have to charge like $1,000.

    2) He is using better software than me (I use TBS).

    3) He knows how to use it better (which I don't see is possible, I've done a lot of spintax's and haven't heard of any real "tricks" to make it go faster, other than using the find and replace option).

    4) I'm overdoing my spintaxs? I only need to spin the article about 300-400 times... should I aim for a lower uniqueness?


    I just waste SO MUCH TIME because every time I enter a new word or phrase or sentence, I have to go back and REREAD everything together, so it flows properly. I have to scan through lists of words just to eliminate all the ones that don't fit or make sense. This takes a TON OF TIME.

    SO PLEASE. I will pay someone for advice. But I have to settle this once and for all. I could cut my labor in HALF if I could figure out a faster way to get these spintaxs done. I will outsource it. But I'm not sure what type of cost I'm looking at. I need these spintaxs to be done really well. The final articles need to be 400-500 words. I can't waste time editing the articles when I'm done. I need to press spin and have a perfectly readable, highly unique article.

    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE ME ON THIS?

    Are there any real good article spinners on this forum?
    Are there any tips I'm missing? Does thebestspinner suck?

    This is the biggest boundary I'm facing right now, and I can increase my earnings exponentially if I can remove myself from this crappy, spintax generating process. The only thing like I said, I need someone GOOD. Or a better way to spin that doesn't rob me of so many hours.

    I'm desperate folks. :(

    thank you - SB
     
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  2. Conor

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    I'm not much into spinning but I guess there might be someone who can do it for cheap. Search for people that do this and see who is the one closer to your expectations.
     
  4. 0_00_0

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    Check out WordAI - if you are spending 40 hours spinning ONE article then you are wasting your time. Your time is clearly worth money if you are generating 6-8k a month in revenue. people have their opinions of what spinning software is best but I am getting some pretty amazing results with wordai (I use it for backlinking articles but most of its spins are human readable and could be used for money site). Either that or I would outsource your spins - do the math and figure out what an hour of your time is worth. Not to mention these are hours you really do not enjoy. I am positive you can source the work and put your time towards activities with better ROI :) .
     
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  5. madoctopus

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    just do it the painstaking way it is worth it. if you outsource expect lower or even shit quality. You can find a full time employee and train him but he must be good material to start with. Point is, you have a choice to manually write 10000 articles (minimum 5000 man hours or 20000 to 50000 USD) or write one good spintax (40 man hours of work or 200-300 USD). Just do it!
     
  6. WhitePassion

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    I think you're overdoing it a bit but it definitely takes time. I do 3 alternatives for each sentence and then spin it all on word/phrase level as well and it takes me roughly 5-8 hours per 500 word article.
    The article uniqueness will be 80-90%, content perfectly readable as in the beginning and it'll make sense. I highly doubt these sellers are hand-spinning their articles, most likely just use some tools to spin two articles into one at first and then auto-spin it, as you can do with TBS as well..

    If you buy some of these services (not talking about the one you linked to, no experience with them) what you'll see most likely is that the content is absolute gibberish..
     
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    I have to agree with Treeofl1. When I use TBS (and it is decent) I go through and remove the synonyms that don't fit. If you are going for class A human readable this should only be a few hours at most. Do initial run, test sample spin, go back tweek, test, tweek, test - done. If you are still getting garbage, try reducing the number of synonyms TBS produces and uncheck spin within spins or whatever that checkbox is named. I don't think you will get the quality you are looking for from outsourcing, but it worth a few shots (testing costs/time you would spend at 40-60 hours a pop). You should be able to find someone to do it cheaper than that. Hell, you can outsource to me at half that if you only value your time at $10 an hr, you are right THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
     
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  9. nitinsy

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    First step, pay $58 and see what quality of article they write. Most probably you will see your quality is way better.

    Second, check Mathew Woodward's tutorial on spinning. Google "Advanced Article Spinning Techniques With The Best Spinner". He does it in 60mins in the tutorial - ofcourse it is just a sample article. A good quality 500 word article should not take more than 8 hours
     
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    Although WordAI isn't perfect it can help cutting down on the entire project if you use it efficiently.

    The trick is using WordAI at the first stage of spinning and then manually going through the spintax and editing it. Then once done, a few proofreads should seal the deal.

    Beats doing the whole thing from scratch.
     
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    Getting 90% unique is not always required.65-70% have fetched us brilliant results for many projects.
    All posts are intact,posts even passed moderation,absolute human readable,got indexed on Google and worked nice for the site.That all
    I use TBS for spinning.
    Just put 2 -3 sentence variations then go for phrase level spinning.
    Dont always Use the default database thesaurus make use of your own words and phrases and do skip some works specially the prepositions.
    It would hardly take an 1 n half hour and can be perfectly used to build some nice readable posts.
     
  12. the_demon

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    www.wordai.com <-- Should save you a lot of time. I almost never waste my time manually spinning... If you're spending 40-60 hours, shit, you might as well just hire an article writer, lol
     
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    Have you ever seen his articles though? Perhaps they aren't as high quality as yours since it seems that you've devoted far more time to yours.

    Just because his are done faster, it might not necessarily mean that it'll be up to the same standards that you actually want them to be at.
     
  14. VinceC

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    Sorry for telling you this, be it spending 40~60 hrs or 4~6 mins spinning the articles, the trace is there. If a simplesoftware can auto spinning an article, do you think big G will not be able to detect.it? Having said that, what I mean was that, do not pay too much attention on the spun articles process. Just make sure to have unique contents on your money site and tier 1 if you can, and the other tiers just blast them with 'decent' spun articles will do.
     
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    Spiderblast - I cant send PM's yet but wondering if I could pay for an hour of your time, I can send a payment via paypal - sort of like a consultation session, if you just allow me to ask you questions & pick your brain :)

    415 547 0512
     
  16. warner410

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    100% agreed.

    Firstly, I don't use my own content. I just take content from other sites, rewrite the sentences and then remove the original sentences. I usually take simple articles from article directories. These are the easiest to rewrite.

    I rewrite each sentence three times and then spin phrases/words. It takes me only 45-60 minutes to complete each article. I even create spintax articles for a couple of friends nowadays.

    I don't use spun content on my money site and therefore I compromise a bit with quality.

    The amount of traffic that I get from my tier 1 sites is nothing compared to the traffic that I get from Google and so I really don't care what content shows up on my tier 1 sites. Editors/moderators of large sites with UGC don't read entire articles, they just skim through them. I just make sure that the articles are readable, especially the first and the last paragraphs.

    OP, if you need 40-60 hours to complete one article, maybe you are over-emphasizing on quality. Ask yourself if you really need that?

    Try being a little creative when you rewrite sentences and you will save a lot of time. All sentence variations do not have to mean the same thing.

    You have posted a query on bxuhub's thread. I have used that service myself and I recommend it.
     
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    Rather than wasting your time hand-spinning articles, why not just buy some articles (500 words at $3/each) prop up some web 2.0 properties, and blast the sh!t out of these properties with tier 2 links?

    You'll get much more out of your SEO efforts this way.
     
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    If you only need to spin the article 300 -400 times why not get a VA that is good at writing. Then have them write say 10 articles and then have them rewrite those 10 articles 300 times. I have worked with some that can rewrite 2-3 articles an hour.

    A VA that works 40 hours a week gives you ~160 hours a month. This in turn generates you ~320 articles a month, this should cover your needs.
     
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    If you're looking for a quick way to add video, images, and hyperlinks check out advanced-article-spinning DOT com/img.aspx
    Use scrapebox to scrape the urls and add them in line break separated and bam. There you go.
    I have used them to create some articles and they are pretty good. Trick is to find a good spinner and keep using him. I find it easier than hiring a VA
    because it's hard to find a good one, and I spent too much time training and managing them. Prices are ok, I also like that you can request stuff like social bookmarks and bios.
    They also keep all your articles on file so you can download them at anytime. I've lost a few of mine in the past which is super frustrating lol.

    I do agree that using WordAI can cut down a lot of the time. I would personally recommend hiring someone to rewrite the sentences and then take that into wordai then go and manually do the rest should
    cut down the whole process to about 2-3 hours.

    Good luck and happy spinning : )
     
  20. HighRiskJohn

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    I personally use spinrewriter and if I need it spun for higher PR posts, I use the longer spinning option where it goes through the article word by word and phrase by phrase. I can get through a 500-600 article in about 30 mins and the it'll spin it out for me. This way I know it's readable and will pass the majority of moderators.