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Thinking of starting a BH programming class

Discussion in 'General Programming Chat' started by headspin, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. headspin

    headspin Regular Member

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    Hello,

    For those who don't know me, which is probably everyone here, I'm a VB and C++ programmer. I notice that there are a lot of questions on this forum like "how do I code this" or "can this be automated", etc. Sometimes I glance through these thinking, yup, it would take some work but it could be done, and others I wonder why people bother buying login automation scripts and stuff like that since it's really, really easy to make yourself (captcha apart - but I have a solution for that too).

    Note: This thread is only meant to gauge interest, I'm not selling anything yet.

    So this is the deal:

    I'm thinking of starting a BH programming class that would teach you the basics of VB .Net programming and then teach you the stuff you need to perform most of the automations I read about on the forum.

    The course would be taught 2 hours at a time, in real-time using TeamViewer, a free desktop sharing utility. I would ideally teach the class in groups of 10 or less so I can answer individual questions better.

    The outline of the course would go something like this:

    Basic programming
    1. (0.5 hours) Finding your way around VB Express 2008
    2. (1.5 hours) Design-time- The User Interface and controls
    3. (0.5 hours) Events - what they are and how to use them
    4. (10 hours) Basics of coding - Variables, loops, subs, functions, etc
    5. (2 hours) What's included with VB .NET - precompiled code (how to use)
    6. (4 hours) How to use the extras included with the course (see below)
    7. (1 hour) Where to find other pre-written VB code for free and how to use it

    I realize that's not how programming textbooks usually go (they usually teach basics of coding before events), but I learnt it this way around and I found it much easier.

    BH Programming
    1. (2 hours) Automating web forms and logins
    2. (2 hours) Captcha bypass
    3. (2 hours) Making a simple trojan/keylogger
    4. (2 hours) Using AIML to create a chatbot

    I am open to suggestions on this list as well since you may be wanting to learn about something specific. Obviously, if many people are interested in the same thing I will accomodate.

    The student would need to do a bit of work on his own to get the most out of the class, so I would provide some practice problems and give advice, feedback, and solutions.

    Extras that would be included with the course:

    Since the target audience of this course would be complete beginners, I wouldn't expect you to make, say, a chatbot all on your own. That's why I'm thinking to include some classes with pre-written code by me (or others) to make your life easier. These might include:
    -HTML parsing
    -File joiners/splitters/encrypters/decrypters/compressors
    -AIML (useful for creating chatbots)
    -Unsupervised NN (useful for captcha bypass)

    I haven't finalized this list yet and I'm open to suggestions.

    Also, handouts for all the previous sections for quick reference would be included as well as links to the best (free) VB forums and source code sharing sites.

    Additional services

    Again, the target audience are beginners, so you would be likely to have questions after the course finishes. For this reason, I would give you my e-mail adress so you can come to me with any programming questions for up to a month after the class finishes.

    Pricing
    This will depend on how much interest I get, but ideally I will charge something like $5 per hour and per person if I get at least 10 people to sign up.

    Please let me know if you might be interested in this service, but remember that I am NOT selling it yet!
     
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  2. catman08

    catman08 Junior Member

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    Hey sounds interesting ....

    What other webrelated languages do you know.
    I suppose some people could need some basics of PHP first since then its gets easier for them to apply and modify existing scripts.

    catman
     
  3. Vivica

    Vivica Regular Member

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    I'd be very interested in such a course as lack of programming skill is one of my major weaknesses in IM. I have a programmer, but he's not free and he's not always available and it'd be nice to be able to code something myself when the inspiration strikes me. Will you be providing the programming software (VBE 2008)?
     
  4. maddog83

    maddog83 Newbie

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    you should write an ebook about BH programming, i would buy it
     
  5. Essential Clix

    Essential Clix Executive VIP Premium Member

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    moving this to the programming section
     
  6. headspin

    headspin Regular Member

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    Any software I use will be free. That includes VBE 2008, which is available for free download on Microsoft's website.
     
  7. headspin

    headspin Regular Member

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    Hi catman.

    I don't work with PHP but I am familiar with ASP .NET, probably enough for most cookie stuffing applications. However, I'm not comfortable enough with ASP .NET it to charge people for teaching it. I would do my best to answer specific questions about ASP .NET, that's all I can guarantee.

    The focus of the course would be on automation from the desktop, not on web programming.

    I hope that answers your question.
     
  8. headspin

    headspin Regular Member

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    If you are interested in just an e-book and not the course, I could give you access to all the course materials without the real-time tuition for a discounted fee. Would that interest you?
     
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  9. Choronzon

    Choronzon Power Member

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    So what would the fee be for the materials only, I am a programmer but Delphi not VB so I wouldn't need any hand holding.
     
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    cpaaddict Supreme Member

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    i would like to learn some programming to,. i do have tht vb 08 and all i wanna learn is to make bots. things like tubeincreaser, spam bots and so on.
     
  11. cparainmaker

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    Yeah I'm interested.
     
  12. zaahn

    zaahn Newbie

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    Hi there, I would be definitely interested in the course.
     
  13. JohnDoe

    JohnDoe Junior Member

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    Would be interested rather than having to code thigns in php and perl to do submits and posts :)
     
  14. scubaslick

    scubaslick Regular Member

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    Hell yeah.

    You didn't specifically mention data storage or file handling, but assume it's in there somewhere. I'm thinking "nice to build a bot to make mail accounts" but how the hell do I store and retrieve them all? :)

    I'd be interested.
     
  15. dumars72

    dumars72 Newbie

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    Hi,

    Yep, I am interested for sure....I have been weighing up learning VB .NET versus C#
    and to be honest was leaning towards C#, however keep me posted.

    Thanks
     
  16. ChanzGrande

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    I might be interested as well. A little coding would be fun, but I'd kinda be more into the web programming too. Bots and such.
     
  17. headspin

    headspin Regular Member

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    @Choronzon: To be honest, I haven't thought about it yet, but I'm guessing something in the neighborhood of $40-50 since it will include the code I mentioned in "extras" and possibly a few more.

    @Dan08, zaahn, johndoe, and lobwoman: I will post in the Buy/Sell section when the course materials are finished. It looks like enough people will be interested. Should be up at latest by early september, though hopefully mid-august.

    @Mr100: There are a lot of members from different countries on the forum so I'm gonna work on making the course times as flexible as possible. If that still doesn't work, maybe you can PM me and we can work something out on weekends (once I get it up and running).

    @Scubaslick: File handling, which is very easy with VB .NET, will obviously be covered in the course. By data handling, if you mean databases, I will cover some basics such as data binding, and anything that VBE can do automatically. For BH applications, you shouldn't need more. As for parsing of datafiles, I will do an example, but really it is down to functions like mid() or split() that I will cover in the section on basic programming techniques. If you have any questions regarding a specific file format you'd like to learn to handle, you are welcome to ask.

    @dumars72: VB .NET and C# both have their ups and downs, but bear in mind VB .NET is much easier to learn.

    @davers: VB can be used in the construction of ASP .NET pages, which is obviously web programming. Since I've had a few requests for that already, I will add a few hours of ASP .NET basics and maybe an hour or two of BH applications for those who are interested.


    Just to clarify:
    If you already know some programming basics, you will be able to skip the first part of the course and only do the second part on BH applications; I don't have a problem with that. However, you will not have access to the course materials from the first part of the course and I will not give you any tuition on it (I will assume that you already know it). The idea of charging an hourly fee is that you can do whichever classes you want.
     
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  18. maxieus

    maxieus Newbie

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    i'm in too if u proceed that.
     
  19. younglungs

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    Count me in, this is something I really would like to see happen.
     
  20. 3kings

    3kings Newbie

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    Count me in unless there are some VB.NET programming requirements. I know C++/C# and that's about it. I don't know PHP, VB.NET or SQL. If knowledge of these languages is not required, I would very much love to participate in your class. And please keep time difference in mind! I'm GMT+1.