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Thinking about starting a stealth Paypal + Cashout Service - Good idea?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Kaliber45, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. Kaliber45

    Kaliber45 Newbie

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    Hi fellow blackhatters,

    I'm thinking about starting a service and it would be great if I could get some input if there would be a demand for such a service.

    For whatever reason, some people like to have stealth paypal accounts. In many cases (including myself) the whole cashout process, at least if it should be anonymous as well, is just a pain. Therefore I was wondering if there would be a demand for "the ultimate all-in-one-package" :D
    What would this package look like?
    Well, a customer places an order and he will get a fully anonymous, VBA verified (EU) PayPal account that comes with an anonymous credit card (shipped worldwide) which can be used to withdraw the paypal funds on any ATM in any country ($150 daily / $2500 yearly limit). Also, I will include a fully funtional, already set up VPS to access the account for one month - after that, the customer can decide to go with his own VPS or continue with the existing one for ~$7/mth, it's up to him.
    Since the investment on my end will be rather high, I think I'd charge around $150 for it.
    Sure, there are cheaper solutions already on the market, I know that. But in this case, the customer won't have to worry about a thing. He places an order, get's all the relevant account info, gets the credit card and he can withdraw $$$.

    NOTE: I am not trying to sell you guys anything! I haven't even started the service yet - not even remotely. But what do you guys think of the idea? Although I have figured out the process, I will act according to your input.I will either get to work or banish the idea in the deepest corner of my brain ^^

    Cheers :)
     
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  2. Kaliber45

    Kaliber45 Newbie

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    Some thoughts, anyone?
     
  3. Dilettante

    Dilettante Power Member

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    Hello,

    you can find that sort of thing with TOR.

    I have some remarks:
    1) People who buy your service want a full anonymity, right ? And how do they pay you ? If it's their credit card, they won't be fully anonymous because they let a trail on your site (Imagine: paypal is angry because of your service, sues you and wants your data). To guarantee a full anonymity, you should accept payment in bitcoins.

    2) 2500 yearly limit: it isnt' a lot of money. You can't make a bigger limit ?

    3) on any ATM in any country: really ? It's possible ?
     
  4. paypalguy

    paypalguy BANNED BANNED

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    Been doing paypal stealth for years now, I can withdraw from Any paypal without even need'ing any ATM cards, no limits, limit or no limit, I can do anything. Experience is key, atm card is a waste of time, one limitation from Paypal and your card is wasted.
     
  5. Kaliber45

    Kaliber45 Newbie

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    Thanks for your input.

    1) Yeah, I've been thinking about anonymity as well and therefore I would accept bitcoins, of course. On the other hand, the adress a customer gives me (to receive the card) must be stealth as well or I would know it. But because I am creating the accounts with no trace to my name, IP or adress, paypal couldn't even sue me if they had the legal grounds for it (after all, I'd just be violating their TOS).

    2) as the limit can't be raised I was thinking about setting up a "repeat customer" discount of 35% so he could split up profits between the accounts / credit cards

    3) Maybe not a perfect 100%, but every ATM that accepts VISA Cards will work - so that should cover up almost 99% I guess ^^


    Sure, withdrawing could be done easily with every account as well: send it to other accounts (although not recommended long term), go shopping, whatever. But converting paypal money into real, tangible cash is a pain if you decide to go stealth. In this case, it couldn't be easier for the customer. Buy account -> receive card -> visit ATM -> $$$
     
  6. RandomInternetGuy

    RandomInternetGuy Registered Member

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    I am new to the concept of this, but what's the appeal of a "stealth" paypal account? It's not 100% anonymous because even then ATMs record the face of everyone that takes out money, cameras near ATMs record car license plates, etc. Even then cash has serial numbers that are easily traceable.

    If someone is willing to go through all of this trouble.. isn't it easier to just use bitcoins? They don't physically have to go anywhere and it is 100% untraceable.

    Also who in the world would use this complex anonymous service? Don't black market dealers have their own channels for this kind of stuff? The only market I can think of for this is the kind of stuff nobody except the people who are into it would ever want to be involved like CP and snuff. The kind of stuff that would land you in prison for even having and/or being affiliated with. If anyone used your service for that then it is only a matter of time until you are tracked down and thrown in prison (I don't think there's any country or service that supports things like CP and snuff).

    Then again, maybe I am completely wrong and this would work. These are more questions on my part than telling you that it wouldn't work and I am curious about who would actually use this. From my uneducated point of view this seems like an incredible amount of risk.
     
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  7. Kaliber45

    Kaliber45 Newbie

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    A) The most common reason why someone would want a stealth Paypal is because of ebay.
    There are many ebay powersellers out there who got shut down because of nothing and in order to get back to business, they have to create a new, stealth ebay account (and therefore a stealth paypal account as well). There are huge forums out there dedicated only to this subject.

    B) Some people are living in countries with very high income tax (up to 50%) and try to avoid being ripped off by their governments.

    C) some people cant get a fully usable Paypal the regular way (take India or Pakistan for instance)

    There are countless more and individual reasons but everyone who is into some really sick stuff will avoid Paypal and use Bitcoins anyway.