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"thin content" manual web spam hit many of my sites

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dan7123, May 9, 2015.

  1. dan7123

    dan7123 Registered Member

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    Hello fellow black hatters,

    a good 5-6 of my websites have been hit. I've never used any pbn or paid links on any of these sites. 3 of the sites have been ranking #1 for the past couple years, no ongoing seo, and were ranking nicely. The funny part is I didn't touch any of these sites with any blackhat seo of any kind and they all got hit at the same time. They have one thing in common, they are all on my google webmasters account. I don't understand why I have to suffer like this. All my content is unique, noting is spun and all sites are couple years old. I checked all of the websites, they are not indexed but rather just lost major major serps

    one of the big sites had atleast 800 word homepage content, 5-6 articles in the blog, everything is unique and hand written.

    Has the next google update started? I would like some opinions from you guys...
     
  2. archon10

    archon10 BANNED BANNED

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    It means your content sucks. It's what you get for buying $1 articles.
     
  3. BassTrackerBoats

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    There has been a rash of thin content site issues the past day and a half popping up from GWT. Seems Google is stepping up the game in that area.

    Goes to show you that in many cases, although dismissed by some as trite and inconsequential, Content is King.
     
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    west555 Regular Member

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    2 Of my sites got hit today also :(
    i did however used services from bhw on those
     
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    You really think that Google makes difference between $1 and $100 articles? You really think that manual reviewers read articles on site they`re reviewing? Google detects articles quality based on it`s structure (onpage seo). And if manual reviewer sees the site with 5 pages and full of affiliate links then you`ll get "thin content" penalty (and they never read and value the content). It`s just bad luck when you get manual reviewer cause when you think how many sites are online and how many workers are needed to visit all the sites... It`s just webmaster`s fault when they add sites to GWMT and give all info to Google.

    Cheers
     
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    lol , dude it's google , don't worry about what you can't control
     
  7. umerjutt00

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    Seems like a lot of people are getting these messages since the past few days. I lost a site last year and GWT message was: "Pure Spam". Although the site had around 200 articles and it was definitely not SPAM.
     
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  8. archon10

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    Yep, I think they do (duh look at all the thin content penalties posted here). I've edited and gotten customers after I've fixed and rewritten those $1 articles. I've seen some pretty bad junk from the marketplace that I've fixed. Lots of times, people get hit with Panda from them and they are trying to get out of it.

    Note to people who want real long-term sites: you'll pay a lot more in lost traffic and editors than just paying for a good article upfront.
     
  9. conrulez

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    You have absolutely NO CLUE what you are talking about as far as penalties go. IN NO WAY can google tell the difference between your $100 article and my $.02 one WITH THEIR ALGORITHM. Myself and MANY others know this to be 100% true because we've tested it over and over again. AND we are still profiting very well today from what you call "junk". Not to mention that if you dig deep enough into the subject you'll soon see that the amount of computations needed to accomplish what you and many others "think" they already do is laughable. They are NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE to being able to do that and won't be for a LONG LONG TIME.

    This case mentioned by the OP, like just about every other one, will be the result of a manual review after "X" amount of complaints. The guy has been ranking #1 he said. I GUARANTEE that one or more competitors repeatedly complained about his sites until they actually looked at it. Maybe more than one review took place even depending on the niche and popularity of it. Obviously he didn't pass the test.

    The point here isn't to say that content is meaningless. Of course it's meaningful. But it really only plays two distinct roles:

    1. If you want to build mailing lists for future offers or info, or a devoted audience that repeatedly returns to your site, OBVIOUSLY you're going to need quality useful content. You may or may not want new content added regularly. All depends what the overall marketing strategy is. Content is for the visitors IF you want them to stick around and read, and bookmark your site, and come back to visit again, etc.

    2. But the idea that you ALWAYS need great content is completely laughable. If your real purpose is to get someone to click on a link (other than adsense because those are continuously reviewed), then the content ONLY serves the purpose of onsite SEO from the viewpoint of google's algo. One can make an argument that better content "may" increase CTR. I've not seen that all. In fact usually just the opposite. I routinely get 35%+ CTR on sites with useless content. Some sites it's MUCH higher than that too.

    It is true IMO that the more competitive the KWDS/Niche, the less you can get away with spun or shitty content. BUT it's NOT because of the algo. It's 100% because of manual reviews. As for the current so called rash of thin content penalties, my opinion is that it's just google rolling out a bunch that they've already completed. My bet is that they release them in batches and it's just that time.

    Regardless though of how competitive a niche may be, Content is STILL not king. For the NY Times bestseller list? YES. For ogranic Serps. HELL NO.

    LINKS LINKS and LINKS are King, Queen, Prince, Princess and the rest of the whole Fam Damily.

    It has been that way for a LONG time and it won't be changing anytime soon. Go research the level of math needed for a computer to TRULY analyze content and you'll soon figure it out. Or don't. As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy as can be that so many competitors of mine waste all kinds of time trying to create great content. I build 5 or 10 sites to their one (if not higher).

    The people who routinely get on their soapbox to scream about how "CONTENT IS KING" always remind me of the great proverb:

    ~ Those Who Say Something Can Not Be Done, Should Not Interrupt Those Who Are Doing It ~

     
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  10. archon10

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    lmao I stopped reading there.
     
  11. Nut-Nights

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    Lots of people getting thin content penalty, Seems like Google is on action.
     
  12. dan7123

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    Thanks for the reply. Here is a screenshot of the serps to prove I've been #1 for this niche for a while. I've essentially done no seo within the past year and rankings have been #1 outright.

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    All of the sites have different who-is information. half of the sites are on different hosting. The only way the sites are connected and have a footprint is that they unfortunately are on my webmaster tools. Like you said, maybe a competitor flagged one of sites, and in turn google saw an additional 5-6 websites connected to my webmasters account and reviewed them also. All of the sites have unique content, I've paid a decent amount for it and I've reviewed it myself.

    The lesson that I learned today is stay away from web master tools, they will unjustifiably review all your sites if they pick out a bad apple.
     
  13. JasPets

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    I feel your pain. Just had several sites hit with a manual penalty. But not all my sites are in WMT. And from drop in rankings I suspect a couple of mine that I don't include in WMT were also hit. And a couple of mine that have truly clean link profiles in WMT did not receive a manual action. Though everyone that's in WMT that has had a few links (or some a lot of links) were hit with manual action. Yes, I'm wondering too if once G found one of mine, they went looking for the rest.
     
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    Yep i was hit as well take a look at screenshot been number #1 for a couple weeks sucks!

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    not sure whats going on
     
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    I would say WMT is OK, it's just that you should NOT put a bunch under one account. THAT is how they got all those sites. I bet all your other sites are OK huh? Yeah NOT a coincidence.

    If you think about it, google HAS all the info that's on WMT so you're not "giving" them anything. It just becomes a problem when you put a bunch of sites under 1 acct/email address. Pain in the ass but keep them all separate is my advice.

    If it's worth it monetarily, you may want to research how to resubmit again once you change up some content. I'd make some significant changes. Not my specialty so I can't tell you squat as far as exactly what to do, but obviously it can be done. Last resort is 301 each domain to new ones. That seems to work for some as well. Personally if I lose a site it's usually something I could care less about as I already have others in that niche also ranking. To be honest though I don't lose many at all.

    I hope it works out for you. Tough lesson to learn, but now you know the value of different accounts!

    Good luck
     
  16. jo080711

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    Thin content doesn't necessarily mean they are saying it's bad. You need to look at the content objectively though. This happened to me with 4 sites in Novemeber last year. The first couple of weeks after I couldn't look at it from anything besides a pissed off perspective.

    If your content is all super optimized for commercial keywords it can be considered thin. Even if it was written by an Ivy school grad and full of comprehensive facts. The point is - a site full of content designed to serve your wallet isn't adding a ton of value to the internet as a whole. (Or mine for that matter. Not an offensive statement, but true).

    To say that links are the only thing matters is a joke. Content is becoming more important than ever. Google is trying to figure out how to devalue links in their algorithm. I obviously have no real proof of that - but looking at the knowledge graph and the drastic way the serps have changed in the past couple of years - I don't know how you can argue.

    Thinking we can do what we've always done in this business is absurd.
     
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    Unfortunately that is what happens, you need websites that offer value to visitors. You need plenty of content with multiple pages if you want to stay ranked with Google.
     
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    Same here 4 of my sites was hit by google plague this time..
     
  19. andyf91

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    Yea I added my site to GWT and got thin content sucks!
     
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    Has anyone had this penalty on their sites and made some changes to successfully get the penalty lifted?
    If so can you pls point out what changes you made to the site like, rewrote all articles or did a 301 or just buffed up each article with a few more lines of unique content?

    thanks