Hello, I wanted to buy fanpages and posted in WTB (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/want-buy/317494-want-facebook-fan-pages.html ) So I get PM from http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/149061-theundertaker.html TheUndertaker aka coderroder (on skype). aka Jaron (from the first PM --> Im Jaron im 38 years old got 2 childs and a wife. That's the first line of the first PM) aka Devona Fullen (on facebook complete with a sexy semi nude girl working with playboy. I am not sure if I should give the facebook address or not here) and finally aka melissa groen / Email: firstname.lastname@example.org (from paypal id payment was sent to) From the above list I really don't know what's real or what's a fake and a alias. if there anything that seems personal and not in context i would request the mods to remove it. So the TheUndertaker / Jaron shows me the fan page on BHW PM and I agree to to buy it after simple test. EDITED CHAT TRANSCRIPT i'll give the details with chat transcripts (mods can get access to my PM to verify plus i am willing to open give team viewer access to show the full chat transcript to the mods here) [7/14/2011 6:03 PM] ME: add me as friend [7/14/2011 6:16 PM] ME: and send me your paypal id as soon as you make me admin [7/14/2011 6:18 PM] coderroder: k [7/14/2011 6:30 PM] coderroder: lol no you are the one that is going first [7/14/2011 6:40 PM] coderroder: like i said in the pms [7/14/2011 6:52 PM] ME: send me you paypal NOTE:- Nothing like this was discussed in PM (mods admin can check my PM ). But sending the payment first seemed reasonable so I sent it) [7/14/2011 6:05 PM] coderroder: email@example.com [7/14/2011 6:10 PM] coderroder: thats my personal paypal account [7/14/2011 6:41 PM] coderroder: k [7/14/2011 6:37:00 PM] ME: XXXXXXX, you have sent $300.00 USD to melissa groen. [7/14/2011 6:37:43 PM] ME: still waiting for friend request [7/14/2011 6:37:45 PM] coderroder: ok hold on gonna check that , can you give me your name on facebook that would be easier to add.. Finally got friend request but no admin to the page. Then the next things comes up... [7/14/2011 6:43:50 PM] ME: waiting for admin rights... [7/14/2011 6:43:54 PM] coderroder: First we need to wait some hours because i dont want to get my paypal limited as i told you on my pms. he/she/whatever didnt mentin anything like this in PM. verifiable fact. [7/14/2011 6:30 PM] ME: sorry dude [7/14/2011 6:32 PM] ME: no go [7/14/2011 6:42 PM] coderroder: i dont want to get my paypal limited ? [7/14/2011 6:44 PM] coderroder: and im a girl not a dude [7/14/2011 6:57 PM] : yes of course sorry [7/14/2011 6:08 PM] coderroder: i did get a other time [7/14/2011 6:09 PM] coderroder: 300$ then my paypal account [7/14/2011 6:15 PM] coderroder: was limited in a hour [7/14/2011 6:21 PM] coderroder: thats why i want to wait some mins [7/14/2011 6:27 PM] coderroder: to be sure that i keep it [7/14/2011 6:37 PM] coderroder: because otherwise i make you admin and then my money is gone [7/14/2011 6:46:10 PM] ME: i have beena long time member of BHW and am not gonna run with 300 bucks [7/14/2011 6:46:23 PM] ME: the membership there as a donor is worht much more [7/14/2011 6:46:38 PM] ME: scamming gets you banned [7/14/2011 6:46:44 PM] coderroder: me also , and i know i believe you but i just want to sure that im keeping the money beacuse paypal is beging a pain in the ass for me OK.. so I sent the payment. Then I am told wait for a few hours (finally comes to a few minutes and then 1 minute) to see if Paypal limits the account or not. Now why should I be waiting to see if his/her accounts get limited? And I said as much. I sent the payment to paypal address you requested me to. I refused to wait and asked to be made admin else I shall raise a dispute. When ultimately after waiting for over 20 minutes i saw nothing happening I opened a dispute saying you have seen the money now you make me admin and I'll close the dispute. [7/14/2011 7:03:41 PM] ME: make me admin and i'll close dispute [7/14/2011 7:03:53 PM] coderroder: close dispute and i will make you admin.. [7/14/2011 7:03:55 PM] ME: just as fast as i sent you the money [7/14/2011 7:04:32 PM] ME: no issues i'll keep the money [7/14/2011 7:04:32 PM] coderroder: how u mean [7/14/2011 7:04:57 PM] ME: i mean as soon as i see i am admin i close the dispute you haveseen i can send the money [7/14/2011 7:04 PM] ME: now i need to see you can [7/14/2011 7:22 PM] ME: and i'll close the dispute just as fast as i sent you the money [7/14/2011 7:48 PM] ME: in fact i have my finger on the close dispute button [7/14/2011 7:57 PM] coderroder: close the dispute and i will make you admin... [7/14/2011 7:14 PM] coderroder: i promise.. [7/14/2011 7:18 PM] ME: thanks friend it was nice dong business with you [7/14/2011 7:28 PM] ME: i dont have more time to waste on this [7/14/2011 7:30 PM] ME: bets of luck [7/14/2011 7:33 PM] coderroder: u want the fanpage or not ? [7/14/2011 7:34 PM] ME: best* [7/14/2011 7:38 PM] coderroder: its not wasting time [7/14/2011 7:41 PM] coderroder: i will make you admin [7/14/2011 7:43 PM] coderroder: if you close it.. [7/14/2011 7:46 PM] ME: nope not the way you are going about things [7/14/2011 7:13 PM] coderroder: i did wait some mins now , and now i wanted u to make u admin and then you did close it.. [7/14/2011 7:35 PM] ME: ok let me trust you one more time [7/14/2011 7:45 PM] ME: but not with closing the diput [7/14/2011 7:45 PM] ME: e [7/14/2011 7:53 PM] ME: you have seen the money right [7/14/2011 7:24 PM] ME: you have seen my BHW account and other fan pages i bought right? [7/14/2011 7:42 PM] ME: so now its your choice [7/14/2011 7:46 PM] ME: take it or leave it [7/14/2011 7:36 PM] coderroder: not at all because i didnt even login lol, and no i didnt see other fanpages you did bought [7/14/2011 7:36 PM] ME: thanks for your time i am really interested thats why i sent you the money... but i dont like the way this going so i'll keep my money [7/14/2011 7:48 PM] ME: i am sure you'll find other buyers [7/14/2011 7:06 PM] ME: sorry i wasted your time and mine [7/14/2011 7:55 PM] coderroder: you were not interested otherwise you will wait.., like i promise if you close the dispute then i make you admin i have the mouse button on it... , if i dont make you admin in 1 min then you can open a dispute again and you can leave me i promise you.. [7/14/2011 7:56 PM] coderroder: on my hart [7/14/2011 7:28 PM] ME: paypal does not allow you to open disputes once you close it my friend [7/14/2011 7:14:30 PM] coderroder: yes they do just open a new one , i did it before its no problem lol, i promise i will make you admin in 1 min [7/14/2011 7:43 PM] coderroder: please.. i promise you.. [7/14/2011 7:22 PM] ME: lets not waste more time ... i really am not up to it [7/14/2011 7:59 PM] coderroder: i promise with in 1 min , i will make you admin , and then with the other 1 mil page im going first so i make you admin first and then you can buy it cheap [7/14/2011 7:54 PM] coderroder: i promise.. [7/14/2011 7:11 PM] ME: so do i... if my word counts for anything [7/14/2011 7:27 PM] ME: i close te dispute as soon i am admin ... [7/14/2011 7:34 PM] coderroder: you did send me it already deal = first money then i will make you admin and i was a bit worryd about my account that can get limited but now i saw it cant because i have a verifyd paypal account that is real, if you close the dispute then i will make you admin in 1min if i dont then you can dispute it again , i want to sell to you more fanpages and by the seccond i will give you first admin rights i promise... please darling [7/14/2011 7:37:32 PM] coderroder: ? Well, I had wasted my time and money and told her to sleep over it and that I am going home. I'll see her in the morning. So the next day.... [7/15/2011 9:57:18 AM] ME: good morning [7/15/2011 9:58:32 AM] ME: please hit the refund buyer button in paypal for me... will you? [7/15/2011 3:39:44 PM] coderroder: good morning , please hit te dispute button and i will give you the page [7/15/2011 3:46:49 PM] ME: i dont want the page any more [7/15/2011 3:46:53 PM] ME: you can keep it [7/15/2011 3:47:29 PM] coderroder: i still want to sell it so [7/15/2011 3:47:45 PM] ME: find someone else [7/15/2011 3:48:10 PM] ME: to sell it to [7/15/2011 3:48:26 PM] coderroder: nah [7/15/2011 3:49:17 PM] ME: well anyways, hit the refund button before i file a charge back with my CC company [7/15/2011 3:49:47 PM] coderroder: why dont you want the fanpage anymore while i want to give it to you ? [7/15/2011 3:50:29 PM] ME: i dont like you or the way you deal [7/15/2011 3:51:01 PM] ME: nothing personal ... [7/15/2011 3:51:09 PM] coderroder: i just deal normal [7/15/2011 3:51:13 PM] coderroder: its you [7/15/2011 3:51:15 PM] coderroder: that does strange [7/15/2011 3:51:47 PM] ME: thank you for reminding me ... [7/15/2011 3:52:44 PM] coderroder: np [7/15/2011 3:52:48 PM] coderroder: you were buying [7/15/2011 3:52:50 PM] coderroder: sending me the money [7/15/2011 3:52:52 PM] coderroder: waited about 5 min [7/15/2011 3:52:52 PM] coderroder: i want to send you the fanpage [7/15/2011 3:52:54 PM] coderroder: realy strange [7/15/2011 3:52:55 PM] coderroder: dispute.. [7/15/2011 3:53:02 PM] ME: yes! [7/15/2011 3:53:31 PM] ME: inded strange... my bad [7/15/2011 3:53:46 PM] ME: now hit the refund button pls [7/15/2011 3:53:55 PM] ME: and close the dispute [7/15/2011 3:54:31 PM] coderroder: yesi its strange [7/15/2011 3:56:41 PM] ME: you know i'll get the money back ... so you can make this easy ... a chance for us to maybe talk further or you can make it harder [7/15/2011 3:57:07 PM] ME: either ways, i get my money... your choice [7/15/2011 3:57:56 PM] coderroder: its your change to buy it or not lol you were about to buy it [7/15/2011 3:57:56 PM] coderroder: and then you are the one that is doing strange [7/15/2011 3:58:21 PM] ME: forget it ... i guess its the hard way ... [7/15/2011 3:58:26 PM] ME: have a nice day I posted the skype conversation we had yesterday (sunday) on (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...e-do-i-report-problem-another-member-bhw.html) it goes soemthing like... [7:15] HER: i will full a scamming report with my friends [7:15] HER: lol [7:15] HER: take care monday [7:15] HER: whats gonna happen [7:16] HER: are they gonna shoot me [7:16] HER: hahahahahahahah [7:16] HER: nerd [7:16] HER: go fuck off retard that tryd to scamm me So after everything is said and done he/she doesn't respond to the paypal ticket or given a refund (and it has now been 4 days including today) If any further clarification is needed i am around. waiting for the powers that be to take some action.