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There is *ZERO EVIDENCE* for the multiverse "theory" - more skeptic garbage

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  1. pewep

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    Here's a fun fact that some of you may not know:

    We live in a pretty fucking weird universe. Weird as in - if the neutron wasn't just 0.1% heavier than a proton, then stars would be unable to form, meaning no life would exist.

    Weird as in - why is the speed of light 299,792,458 m/s? why are the planck measurements precisely what they are? There are THOUSANDS of examples I can provide showing how if these forces and properties were changed even a tiny bit, there would be absolute chaos - from the disintegration of the atom to fundamental properties of spacetime radically changing. You need to explain that. There are only two ways:

    1. We got lucky. Retardedly lucky.
    2. There is an intelligent entity controlling these parameters.

    So modern closed minded skeptics - in their never ending obsession to avoid reality came up with the multiverse hypothesis - which is pushed to the general public as a "theory" in popular TV shows and literature (Rick and Morty for example).

    **The truth is, there is no evidence for the existence of any other universe apart from our own. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Zippo. Claims that can be made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. PERIOD**

    Yes, yes, I know this may come as a bit of a surprise to some of you, especially since billions of your tax dollars are spent investigating a claim which has no proof, but that is the truth.

    Is it time to ask whether we threw the baby out with the bath water during "The Enlightenment"?
     
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    Whenever you hear any pseudo-scientist attempt to use the multiverse hypothesis to explain the CLEAR lack of an explanation for the perfect universe we just "randomly" happen to live in, ask them a simple question:

    Do you have any evidence to support your claim?

    I'm sick of parapsychologists and the noetics field having to bear an unequal burden of proof to get funding when there's a clear agenda in the academic and scientific circles to avoid anything to do with the existence of higher orders of being.
     
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    Edit your post, try to figure this out.
    Fleetard. Remember what happened last night
    To M.
     
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    Thanks @pewep , will keep that in mind.
     
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    Ohhhh sir this is crazy news dear, you know sir powerful people know future and they've already produced these products sir when 2015 come they say "lets release ipad pro and dji drones to the poor people" then in 2016 sir they say "lets release macbook pro, iphone 7 etc." now sir in 2017 what do you think they will say ? help me.
    This tech is no innovation sir, it's known waaaaay before, even Nikola Tesla knew about iphones sir, ok yes this has nothing to do with your thread,but me really scares : when I open a window and see the stars me say to wife and kids "hey look stars hab too low power to work as a source of light" and then wife slap me and tell me "go to sleep you retarded mong" and then me say "wow the earth is alone and there is no other civilization out there" and then a book falls from the shelter in my room and gives me location to NASA hidden workstation and me go there and they tell me "we send you to the moon sir, go fly away and save us from apocalypse".
     
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  6. JustUs

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    Sure, there is evidence f a multiverse. Just watch Riddick.

    Now on the more serious side, Multiverses are a THEORY.


    Definition of theory
    plural theories

    1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
    2: abstract thought : speculation
    3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art music theory
    4
    a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn
    b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all

    5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena the wave theory of light
    6
    a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
    b: an unproved assumption
    c: conjecture
    d: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject theory of equations
     
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    It's 20.15 on a Thursday evening here in the uk, too late for me to digest this sort of stuff!

    I need a beer.
     
  8. pewep

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    Tell your wife that I'm reporting her to the authorities for committing domestic violence against my boyfriend.
     
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    TL;DR - Scientists would rather spend a zillion dollars investigating a claim that's just as baseless as saying there is a God.
     
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    Someone doesn't know the difference between a scientific theory and a webster theory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

    The multiverse hypothesis is not a scientific theory, it's a scientific nothing. Hogwash.
     
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    It has nothing to do with luck... It is just the way it is.: "I can provide showing how if these forces and properties were changed even a tiny bit, there would be absolute chaos" - Love You but You sound pretty stupid. I mean the argument is just.. . It is pretty obvious that if we change the "x" we will get a different result.
     
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    There are ridiculous scientific studies going on all the time. How do you think these poor scientists get paid if they don't think up some other crazy subject to study?
     
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    It shows the general sentiments and characteristics of the scientific community as well as their general aversion to objectively studying spiritual matters.

    There's more evidence for the existence of (just as an example) life after death than there is for the higgs boson. Which has a more practical and earth shattering impact on this planet? Which one gets more money?
     
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  14. JustUs

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    Uh huh.
    Here:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/multiverse-the-case-for-parallel-universe/
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/11/03/alternate-universes-discovered/75102502/
    http://www.space.com/32728-parallel-universes.html

    Thee is more evidence for a parallel universe than there is for what you are attempting to get at through your parody.
     
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    That's not an explanation of any sort. It's like saying a tree is green because a tree is green. That's a non-statement.

    You don't seem to grasp the impossibility of having certain constants and forces being as precise as they are. Planck's constant is 6.62607004 × 10^-34 m^2 kg / s. Do you understand how small that is? Are you aware that any slight change to this constant would result in the breakdown of the fabric of the universe? This is not a coincidence and scientists have been struggling to come up with an explanation for it.

    The anthropomorphic argument that you're trying to make isn't really an argument. Please google it, because it's already been tossed around the block a few times.
     
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    That's already been proven to be false. Apparently you don't even read the headlines of the articles you post. It says studies MAY have found evidence - it was quickly abandoned when there were problems found:
    http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8918
    Notice how you link pop media and I link universities? Sit down, child.
     
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    It would result in it. We can make a lot of theories. Constants and forces have to be precise for a universe to exist. It's obvious. "Whatv If" arguments are just stupid. Please don't get offended. I do think that you are a smart person, but this is just nonsense
     
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    Since you choose to bitch about Google Scholar, let me address your gripe with Sci Hub:
    http://sci-hub.cc/http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-0114.00163/full
    http://sci-hub.cc/http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/ps/2004/15/aafj233.ps.gz
    http://ecite.utas.edu.au/17011
    http://sci-hub.cc/https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.40.4011

    Since you also choose to gripe about "Pop media," we might as well throw out your wordpress blog - even if that blog is from Columbia University.

    There is a lot of controversy regarding multiple universes; just as there was controversy about many scientific theories until they were proven. Theories like Planks constant that are now accepted functions. Even the speed of light has not been definitively settled, though we act like it is.

    Oh, by the way: Sci Hub is pirated research papers that come from pay to read journals. You can look it up. Take your pop links elsewhere.
     
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  19. pewep

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    And I don't mean any offense either, we are just having a discussion. But calling something stupid because people are trying to explain the inherent unlikelihood for our existence is...stupid.

    And it's kind of a sidetrack from the original argument which goes beyond the scientific (and spiritual) community already acknowledging this impossibility and their attempts to explain it. We've already gone beyond that point - that's why billions of dollars are spent investigating the origins of these forces.

    I'm simply saying that there's an irrational phobia against other equally valid hypotheses. That's all.
     
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    I'm glad you posted this paper. The authors rightly call it a multiverse hypothesis. Nothing further in it attempts to provide any concrete evidence for the existence of the multiverse. I 100% agree with the premise of their argument, so this paper isn't a valid counter to my argument.
    This paper has NOTHING to do with the multiverse theory and frequently references a flat universe. Please explain why you posted it.

    THIS FUCKING PAPER IS CALLED:

    Multiple Universe Explanations Are Not Explanations

    And directly supports what I'm arguing! Did you really think I wouldn't check your sources?

    Another paper that neither references the multiverse hypothesis or has anything to do with it at all!

    Are you just finding random papers with universe in the title and pasting them? Why? I thought you're a better skeppie than this JustUs, I'm dissapointed.
     
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