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there is no shortcut or conspiracy theory - stop being a sucker

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by txholdem, Jul 18, 2015.

  1. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    i have spent my share of sucker money in attempts to rank quickly. the only thing that i've ever ranked and gained traffic from google was the one that i've NEVER done anything for.

    i am fairly convinced by now that there is no such shortcut. maybe google has improved to a point that they just cannot be fooled.

    the fact is that there are many "rank sellers" that simply do not know what they are doing. they probably know just as much as you do. if you dont talk to them prior, they just gladly take your money and let the unknown factors explain the non-results. if you do, you would know its going to be a waste of money.

    there are useful information here of course. a simple rule of thumb in judging if the info is worthy is if it's going to take you quite a bit of effort and time to execute or apply. on the other hand, collecting money falling from the sky by just sitting on your fat ass is definitely not a fun way of living at all, EVEN IF IT HAPPENED.

    the logic is simple to me: if a "package" is going to work, why doesn't the seller offer it for free and not get paid until your site is ranked or has obvious measurable improvement? one will most certainly pay if he/she knows it's going to work. fiverr seller crorkservice makes millions of dollars "ranking" others. why dont they just rank their own sites? there are more easier money in "seo" services.
     
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  2. SkyrocketSEO

    SkyrocketSEO Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    aww....so, how much are those packages you paid for?
     
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  3. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    that's the question i would ask actually. i paid for cheap ones. i do see many people pay $500 monthly, leaving me wondering. i have tried up to $200 (one time fee). however, i talked to the seller and he had obviously no clue about what he is doing.

    many of the sales threads here are full of reviews by newbies. i wonder how easy it is to create an account here.
     
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    Welcome to BHW's new marketplace, it's been like this for quite some time now and it's only getting worse. But the good thing is the shady sellers can be noticed really easily by just asking them a couple of questions. If they have no idea what they are talking about, put that service in your blacklist and move to the next one.
     
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    I've actually run into a quite a few good and useful services on BHW. You just have to know which ones to pick. And then you have to know HOW to use them.

    Don't blame the Sape seller if you're dumb enough to aim them directly at a money site.
     
  6. SCCW89

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    Honestly - unless you are buying content (good content that ranks will cost more than $3 per 500 words)....

    Or are spending THOUSANDS per month on your "SEO guy" - you are WASTING money.

    Learn SEO - do it yourself. However, not everyone is a natural writer so I can definitely see BUYING content.

    But if someone is offering you something like 50 Backlinks + Social Media Signals + Tweets + Mumbo Jumbo....

    For $25, $50, or $100 - I would highly suggest avoiding it.
     
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    So you go to fiver to buy a 'crork' $5 fiver seo service and you want to rank for a 30k search term? Come on guy, take a few minutes to google some keywords, you will see lots and lots of niche sites ranking on the first page.... Do you know how they get there? Definitely not with a $5-fiver!
     
  8. txholdem

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    actually i've never used crork fiverr. i see they make millions of dollars and they offer $400 ranking 'guaranteed.'

    it can do no wrong watching how people rank high, and that's definitely what i trust - because there are already there. however it's not exactly easy to copy what they do, and certainly not by buying services, as far as i observe.
     
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    this is along the line of my approach now - just by generating a lot of contents.
    however, i havent really found 'good writers.' how do you even write a legible article for $3 on topics that you know nothing about? i could not bear to see those articles on my site - maybe in tier 3 at the best.
     
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    Usually - when someone charges $3 per 500 words - they are outsourcing it.

    I won't write a 500 word article for any less than $10 and that's if I'm doing bulk orders.

    But yes - good content is definitely the way to go in my opinion. Glad you agree though!
     
  11. prequalizer

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    I think the tone of this thread is right...there are no real short cuts anymore and yes Google is that Good that's why they are.......where they are. Does this mean that there aren't any SEO Service Sellers who know what they are talking about? Nope, there are loads but...they ain't cheap and why should they be?

    As to why don't people go performance related and accept payment after a term has ranked? Hello? This is 2015 and people just aren't that dumb and sorry the bad debt provision for non payment (not everyone is as morally upstanding as the OP here) for a Service like that would make it untenable and unsustainable.

    I can understand the OP's frustration (most of us have been there on and off at various times).
     
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    This is true. Google is a multi billion dollar company of freaking geniuses who can't be fooled by these shortcuts. The way to rank is to do NATURAL SEO. Ex. Ask for backlinks from bloggers is okay. Buying a package of 50000 backlinks is not.
     
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    What is the balance though? Google this Google that, I see rankings faster in Yahoo and Bing than Google, whereas before it was the other way round. Too many changes and overly complicating things, or just plain bullshitting people, stuff like Panda and Penguin means naff all to me. There are finite ways to process data and list it in a block of ten links. OK so one day you reduce weightings on page title keywords, wooo, next day you do the same with phrase match in body copy and alter it to more LSI keywords, wooo. It doesn't matter how many scientists they hire, there are only so many ways to sort the results, you can change the weightings but everything else is pointless bs. This is a machine that has been programmed, with data centres and servers running it 24/7.

    It baffles me how people think Google is some bloke sat there with a web cam watching what you're doing, and flicking a switch as to stop you 'cheating'. I'm sorry but most of the factors are well known. All the other 'bolt on' patches they do are PR bullshit or just ways to pay someone doing a Phd on some random shit about qualifying scores based on big data set and vector ranking system for spam detection crap. 10 fucking links!
     
  14. starki

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    True, we were all newbies once. One simple advice: Treat your website as a real business, the internet isn't much different from the offline world. You can't magically turn $500 in $50k a year just because it's online or because you are using blackhat techniques. ROIs online can be great, but you shouldn't forget that "I" stands for "investment".