Theory: Google Penalizes Sites That Are Linked to From Low Retention Pages

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Long shot theory here.

I feel like the past 10 years, I've not seen a decline in my pages / sites on search (~85%) for one reason, I've always aimed to create content that retains attention. I've loved sticking to the news.

Not only that, I also make sure what I do is original. I don't follow the typical journalist standards. Really, I deliver in a blended grammar format that includes the voice of the "Average Joe American." It tends to hit people more, like "Oh... this is really somebody from the culture" i feel.

What I have seen however, is when I do formats that are demanded by clients... they tend to last for a while, then drop off. Why? It's because most want to use the 'follow what's working' format versus invent. It lasts for a while and people may leech an ROI off this method, but it's not usually long-term.

The key I've seen that seems to really be the final blow in content that does damage though, is neither of the above. It's actually about page retention. I haven't studied all pages I've seen but in those I've had access to, I've notice pages that retain readers gave more 'link juice.' And the page with low retention tend to fall off search, then you see the sites that they link to fall off as well.

Has anyone else had experiences like this, with a close follow up on page retention?
 
not sure it's true. I mean, I could see it happening with these mofos, but I've never heard anyone mentioning it before, so I don't know...

It's obvious to me. I'm surprised no one's theorized this . Was wondering if I should even bring i up, for the obviousness.
 
This is a bit unfair to certain niche, but bounce rate indeed influence ranking
What I don't understand how Google get the bounce rate data

Some said from Analytic, which make it weirds that Analytic can punish the web owner
 
This is a bit unfair to certain niche, but bounce rate indeed influence ranking
What I don't understand how Google get the bounce rate data

Some said from Analytic, which make it weirds that Analytic can punish the web owner

SEMRush can show you bounce rates. You think google can't?

C'mon bro!
 
How about PBNs in such a case,
most of them don't have any actual traffic and still does the work
 
How about PBNs in such a case,
most of them don't have any actual traffic and still does the work

The bulk of PBN clients...........

I'm willing to bet if you follow their case, get wiped away in Google updates. Tsunami wave.

You don't see many high end clients thinking "wow, let me find a PBN to get on today"

It's usually newbs, short-term projects

But i also think there's different definitions of what "PBN' is today

I look at PBNs as networks of sites that are designed to be spammed to death and die, taking sites they link to, down with it

There are exceptions to this rule as some people dont treat their sites like this I can imagine. I dont deal with PBNs personally.
 
The bulk of PBN clients...........

I'm willing to bet if you follow their case, get wiped away in Google updates. Tsunami wave.

You don't see many high end clients thinking "wow, let me find a PBN to get on today"

It's usually newbs, short-term projects

But i also think there's different definitions of what "PBN' is today

I look at PBNs as networks of sites that are designed to be spammed to death and die, taking sites they link to, down with it

There are exceptions to this rule as some people dont treat their sites like this I can imagine. I dont deal with PBNs personally.
your look at something doesn't define it,
PBNs has been used for years and they were working without any problem and giving the best results in the cheapest possible way,
Every set of links has a definition of quality and if you try/look at one of them at its worst, then it won't be working well just like any other type of links/services
 
your look at something doesn't define it,
PBNs has been used for years and they were working without any problem and giving the best results in the cheapest possible way,
Every set of links has a definition of quality and if you try/look at one of them at its worst, then it won't be working well just like any other type of links/services

I had to read that twice.

I said "Low retention content" is the devil of it all however.

I think the prioritization of back-links should be as follows:
1) High Retention Private News Sites
2) High Retention Private Blog SItes
3) High Retention PBN Sites
4) Social Media
5) Low Retention anything.
 
The bulk of PBN clients...........

I'm willing to bet if you follow their case, get wiped away in Google updates. Tsunami wave.

You don't see many high end clients thinking "wow, let me find a PBN to get on today"

It's usually newbs, short-term projects

But i also think there's different definitions of what "PBN' is today

I look at PBNs as networks of sites that are designed to be spammed to death and die, taking sites they link to, down with it

There are exceptions to this rule as some people dont treat their sites like this I can imagine. I dont deal with PBNs personally.

Nope, not at all.

The bulk of people using pbns are not getting wiped away by google updates :-)

Quite simply, here's the irrefutable proof.

Smh0pVk


Today. Number 1. Number fucking 1 for miami seo. Still.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/pbn-ranking-case-study.1170062/
That's his site there. All fully disclosed in the case study.

That's built with exclusively pbns, and to make matters worse for anti-pbners, it's even got a case study on blackhatworld AND is an SEO company in a competitive city.

And just to rub salt in your wound (big smile)

3yRv6hK


He went UP with the latest update.

Ok, so here's what's really going on with all these updates since 2019..

And it's nothing to do with engagement or bounce rate, which vary depending on the niche. Sometimes a bounce rate of 90% is good. You know why? It means the searcher got their answer quickly and easily.

It's machine learning.

There are no rules in google anymore. It's not a rule based search engine. It's machine learning.

Bounce rate for example. The machine learning is looking to see what the expected bounce rates for different keywords are and may take some action against sites that are outside the normal range.

There is no rule like you rank higher with a lower bounce rate and drop if it's too high.

No one at google really understands the algorithm anymore. They test it and roll it out to see what happens.

Generally the best approach is to try to match user intent and create the best user experience, and to look at the top 5-7 and see what ranks. Content length, type of content, images, videos, tables. Try to see what google thinks the user wants and match that. Think of extra topics that might satisfy the user intent that maybe the top 5 don't have, or only 1 of them has.

Beyond that it's topical authority. Very important these days.

Beyond that it's just link juice in.

Basically it varies tremendously niche to niche because it's all machine learning now. That's why people are SO CONFUSED and think it's just random.
 
Why are people talking about PBNs? that's not even the topic of discussion

If you want to go into PBNs, I could expose a lot. Great they got into ranking ............. but PBNs get wiped. Simple facts.

I got acquired by one of the biggest PBN dealers of the web 2 years ago for a 1 year contract.... they sold overall Back-Links. The owner of that buisness, still had me do the ORM for his name and the biz........... Not a PBN , for reason.

And trust me, he's WAY MORE KNOWN and bigger than your network.

So let me highlight again...

The key I've seen that seems to really be the final blow in content that does damage though, is neither of the above. It's actually about page retention. I haven't studied all pages I've seen but in those I've had access to, I've notice pages that retain readers gave more 'link juice.' And the page with low retention tend to fall off search, then you see the sites that they link to fall off as well.
 
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Long shot theory here.

I feel like the past 10 years, I've not seen a decline in my pages / sites on search (~85%) for one reason, I've always aimed to create content that retains attention. I've loved sticking to the news.

Not only that, I also make sure what I do is original. I don't follow the typical journalist standards. Really, I deliver in a blended grammar format that includes the voice of the "Average Joe American." It tends to hit people more, like "Oh... this is really somebody from the culture" i feel.

What I have seen however, is when I do formats that are demanded by clients... they tend to last for a while, then drop off. Why? It's because most want to use the 'follow what's working' format versus invent. It lasts for a while and people may leech an ROI off this method, but it's not usually long-term.

The key I've seen that seems to really be the final blow in content that does damage though, is neither of the above. It's actually about page retention. I haven't studied all pages I've seen but in those I've had access to, I've notice pages that retain readers gave more 'link juice.' And the page with low retention tend to fall off search, then you see the sites that they link to fall off as well.

Has anyone else had experiences like this, with a close follow up on page retention?
It may work to rank at the top, but on auto generated sites, ranking doesnt matter as pages get indexed and we get traffic from ranking so low.
 
It may work to rank at the top, but on auto generated sites, ranking doesnt matter as pages get indexed and we get traffic from ranking so low.

But you are saying that you do notice what i'm saying?

I've really stood back from talking about this b/c it's one of like 7 points, that keep my content ranking for years, in many cases. And these 7 points, help me retain clients.

I just wonder however, how many logically put this part together. Retention is a big matter when buying or generating content for a site you want to earn money for years.

I launched a project in January 2020 and the work I did the first 4 months, has lasted on front page of SERPs through today. In terms of continually generating profits, it's now generating for the people that bought he biz. The pages I created for this niche, shift rank, but only my pages tend to stay on front page destroying competition.

The big factor i see between mine and theirs, the content I generate = retention focused
There's is more sales drive focused

Me doing the overkill with multiple pages focused on high retention, locked them out of the front page. There only other 'come back' was to buy adword campaigns
 
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