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Theories on why G is still ranking sites with BH seo and penalizing others...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by deviatus, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. deviatus

    deviatus Power Member

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    Many of our sites were slapped by Penguin. Their links were from PBNs, comments, blogrolls, profiles, article sites, 301 redirects, etc...

    But when you type in competitive keywords now, like "unlock iphone" or "buy wow gold", you see sites in the top 10 still openly using these tactics, many with PBNs and homepage links. Many with poor anchor diversity, uneven link velocity, and generally shitty links but in high numbers. Hell, G still ranks sites with the "This site may harm your computer" warning.

    Penguin is terribly inconsistent, so lets theorize as to why that is.

    These are some possibilities I can think of, feel free to add to them or shoot them down. Or if you believe Penguin is fairly consistent you can state why.

    1.) G's servers, indexing, cache system, computing power, etc.. weren't powerful enough to consistently detect and penalize sites. They will attempt to take care of this in updates.
    2.) Too many sites use these tactics, and G can't completely change their SERPs overnight, so they are doing this drip by drip.
    3.) G has no intention of disallowing all BH/GH, because these things force more companies with deep pockets to use Adwords.
    4.) Penguin was mostly an attempt to discourage BH seo, they put away some sites and made examples of them, but still reward black and grey hat seo. Luck of the draw.
    5.) Penguin is designed to go after the sites with the most number of red flags, not all sites with BH seo. i.e. you also need poor on-page, a high bounce rate, poor CTR, etc..
     
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  2. b1step-ahead

    b1step-ahead Power Member

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    Those are all good theories.. google just announced there latest quarterly profits... it went up 8 % or so.. not sure. I think there causing havoc in the organic search to push small business to paid search.
    I would.
     
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  3. Dan Da Man

    Dan Da Man Elite Member Premium Member

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    I would agree with most of those theories. Randomize things is Google's best effort to demotivate people to using BH methods and turning to adwords. Which we have seen work greatly.

    Good post
     
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    What i can think of right now is, all those strategies you can shitty might not be close to that.

    On the otherside, people using diverse back link portfolio don't suffer any significant hit because Google can not directly punish a site for link otherwise competitors will be using it and dropping the opponent.
     
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    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Until google develops at least the capability of distinguishing links stuffed into the bottom of homepages (usually grouped etc in random text or simply grouped with other links), footer links, etc they have no hope of detecting real, well masked BH techniques.

    What they're doing instead, is punishing everyone.
     
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    stubo1903 Junior Member

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    I think they're really stepping up the manual reviews, the results of which feed in to their machine learning algo. It's been a bit of a mess so far, particularly post-penguin
     
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    krishnaverma Power Member

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    Google has created a feeling of insecurity among the webmasters. This will increase their Adwords income for sure.
     
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    While some of those sites may have done crappy jobs from what you've seen, they may have relevant backlinks in authoritative domains within its niche, and that, in Google's eyes, is very very very good.

    But from ppl who aren't within Google, it can all be random for all we know!
     
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    Catt Mutts Junior Member

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    What?
    i'd like to believe it's option 3)
     
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    chris1025 Regular Member

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    i think it's niche specific, more money niche are being focus my google emplyee?
     
  11. williamk

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    For me they are working well. Although I do buy from BST time to time. But they are doing ok for me.
     
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    ryannull Senior Member

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    That's their end game.

    Manipulate the serps, force webmasters to use Adwords, and collect the money.
     
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    webmaters aren't safe from google now?
     
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    More emphasis has been placed on keyword domains + contextual links. Due to their nature, these can also be abused by BH webmasters and still remain successful.
     
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    THIS IS THE TRUE AND THE ANSWER.
    Remember that google is a company that want earn money :) and not a human company that want help the people to found everything ;)
    Just check the example of the OP: keyword that not have real marketing are always not penalized ;)
    Just make this test:
    Create a fake product that has a price of $2k, you never rank it in first page... because google want that you use adwords ;)
     
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    I think the two most probable things are
    1-Yes their servers work out the bad link profiles in batches.
    2-They stepped up the manual reviews and linked it to the automated review to give them a better system that will feed higher quality (low quality really since that is what they need ) at a faster rate but still it is human speed so it takes time.

    The things that got hit the most with me are sites that used xrumer and sites that used paid blog networks. These lost nearly 100% of every thing I did.