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TheLinkJuicer REVIEW Page - Please provide some tips and read my story - Thanks...........

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by tony-raymondo, Dec 2, 2009.

  1. tony-raymondo

    tony-raymondo Junior Member

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    So i'm new to the world of SEO.

    TheLinkJuicer seemed like a pretty good concept at first.

    But now i'm not so sure.

    Basic Concept

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    You pay a monthly fee to participate in a network of blogs.
    When you sign up, you create a few dozen blogs.
    Then, you write a post using spyntax.
    This post is distributed to your blogs, AND the few dozen that other members have created.

    Blog Relevancy

    First thing that bugs me is there is no relevancy to any one given topic.
    You are instructed to create blogs with general sounding names.
    For example here is a list of five titles from one of my autoblogs.


    Whats up today: The news and more
    1. Best Surround System
    2. Fix Credit Reports
    3. Measuring ROI on Coaching
    4. Travel Trailer For Sale
    5. Creating a Perfect Garden Ornament
    Now obviously google will never consider this blog niche worthy of anything. Therefor, when it does finally point to my DATING website, the link wont get nearly the same value it would if it was in a relevant blog - where each post is mostly about dating.

    My Stats

    When i first tried it, I didn't quite know how to use it. So I just threw up a paragraph - WITHOUT SPYNTAX and I went straight to the number 2 slot on Bing, and climbed a bit in Google and Yahoo, for my keyword.

    Then, a week later, I was totally wiped from all of those search engines.

    So obviously, because I used this service to paste the SAME paragraph again and again and again, the search engines murdered me.

    Oops.

    Bummer.

    I should have been paying more attention.

    Conclusion

    I'm not sure if i should keep it or not. I think the idea is clever enough to work. But the strategies must be employed correctly to avoid disaster.

    Possibly, this service should be used to link to your 2nd tier of inbound websites - not your 1st tier money sites...?

    Another question, one would think, this service would work best if you used an EXCEPTIONALLY LARGE spyntax article - one with a thousands derivatives.
    And, maybe even, set your number of links per day down to 1.

    Another question, you can't gaurantee that the OTHER posts on your blog (which come from OTHER USERS of TheLinkJuicer like you) are not going to APPEAR spammy. Hence, even if you write beautiful SPAM-PROOF Spyntax, most likely, your fellow members often won't. Hence, as soon as Google identifies a recurring paragraph as Spam text, and then they start to notice this paragraph appearing on blog after blog after blog, then wouldn't they simply assume that all of the blogs in TheLinkJuicer network are mere spam blogs -- and devalue the outbound links for ALL of the BLOGS???????

    I would if i were google.

    Any tips?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. msimurin

    msimurin Regular Member

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    Isnt thelinkjuicer social bookmark network only?
     
  3. tony-raymondo

    tony-raymondo Junior Member

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    nah

    its a network of blogs setup under a users name, and automatically filled wtih content
     
  4. thomas2000

    thomas2000 Newbie

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    thanks, I've not heard of this before,going to sign up right now for a test campaign:D...
     
  5. tdog1

    tdog1 Junior Member

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    link juicer is awesome...
     
  6. keinehabe

    keinehabe Supreme Member

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    first of all OP mistake , it's state even on the faq's of the linkjuicer to use the damn spinner do you think was put there just to be something worthless like this thread ? ... hell no it's a serious very serious reason to have this spinner here indeed need to be used damn it . Second thing , I`ve used like beta tester the linkjuicer , my first campaign here was for an worthless domain with 3 articles copy/pasted from some plr sources :) got 3'th placement within 2 weeks for one of the keywords lol ... it's working like a charm if you have more than 2 cell brains alive and just setup your campaign correctly . Idea it's awesome , Peter the owner it's great guy .... if you are enough dumb to post same damn post over a network with few hundreds of blogs and bookmarks ... none fault actually you don't need that toy ... better buy some condoms prevent humanity to have more exceptional genies like ya .... I don't wanna be rude , and don't wanna make someone feeling bad but that's the truth guys ....

    Things what newbies never understand , since reading loads of crap ebooks and other gibberish .... links are links , end of the story , no mater from where the heck you can get , you can get those links even from moon if you can , if you get links and have some content then you have a chance to fight for some keywords on serps , easy like hell to understand damn it . Other damn point ... you don't need those damn links to have them '' indexed '' , you need your pages to be indexed , links CAN'T be indexed , links are connections between two damn pages hence they can't be '' indexed ''.

    What I can't understand ... how on the name of god do you can give a '' review '' about something what you clearly say '' I don't know a shiet about - but still here it's my review ... '' based on what ? jeez ... That toy come with enough and clearly f.a.q.'s and help section it's fair enough for everyone who bother to read it ... If you are wondering about the '' quality '' of the posts made with linkjuicer and what posts you will get from other peoples from the network think even one second what damages did you do with your one single version of post ... ;)
     
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  7. tony-raymondo

    tony-raymondo Junior Member

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    dang thats one mad dude

    lol

    calm down - want me to start making fun of your english?

    geesh

    I admitted it was my fault and I'm asking for reviews and tips.

    Their own strategy suggests that it should primarily be used to boost 2nd tier PR.

    just looking for comments and resources
     
  8. d3t0x

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    Meh its like a slow version of lfe..it posts spinned content to blogs like 7 a day when link farm evolution can do like 4000 in a day and they can be in a linkwheel...lfe is wayyy better
     
  9. googlemonster

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    it needs an 'is indexed' script plus mass pinging. The posts i check are never indexed.
     
  10. tony-raymondo

    tony-raymondo Junior Member

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    hmm

    i'm not hearing many good things here.

    Also, i've been reading that young blogs that are immediately filled with loads of outbound links (link LinkJuicer makes) are simply immediately sandboxed by google...

    so i just cant see LinkJuicer being a good idea even in theory...?
     
  11. cookiejar

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    Links are Links, no matter, where the hell, they come from. At the end of the day, Links trump all other seo tactics. A system designed to get you link wheels can be used to exploit search engine algo's. It's a good service, but something that i would rather do myself or get outsourced so that at the end of the day, I'm the owner of all that great web real estate :) A proper SEO'd linkwheel farm can bring you traffic for an eternity. An unproper seo'd linkwheel will bring you traffic for 2 min. And that's from spiders coming to your blog laughing then leaving.
     
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    Google doesn't sandbox web 2.0 sites, i.e Squidoo,Hubpages,etc. A Linkwheel which is made up of web 2.0 properties have links that rank well because of the platform their hosted at. Comprende? So the Big G can't do shit about LinkJuice links because their not coming from "LinkJuice.com" Per se but instead from a fleet of web 2.0 properties all designed to assume great organic listings off the top...

    STOP being afraid of google! They are "sandboxing" your creative thought.
     
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  13. tony-raymondo

    tony-raymondo Junior Member

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    Thats the problem

    TheLinkJuicer isnt using' traditionally considered web 2.0 properties" like Squidoo lenses and what not.

    Rather, it seems to be using a great butt load of random Wordpress Mu blogs...

    Here is there list:

    A1webmarks
    Ask @
    Blinklist
    Linkagogo
    Livejournal
    Memfrag
    Spotback
    Vox @
    blogwogin.com
    delicious.com
    doodleo.com
    freeblogpostings.com
    hellodaddio.com
    jacuna.org
    juridicum.net
    luxella.com
    orderhouseplans.com
    pkb-uster.ch
    portalios.com
    vevuzo.com
    wantstoblog.com
    whenlawscollide.com
    zizini.org

    So this is what Google sees:

    • Google sees a new wordpress subdomain is created, for example heres one generated from TheLinkJuicer two weeks ago (http://tmanran123.blogwogin.com/)
    • Then, google sees hoardes of posts pop up - none of which is in any sort of niche at all - the posts might be about auto repair or atheism.
    • Then, google sees that ALL of these posts contain outbound links.
    • Many of these outbound links were created by people like me (who just mistakenly linked them to monetized sites, and who didnt even bother with unique content)
    • And, additionally, you can set the number of posts per day to 10. (something a lot of newbies would do)

    All of these above features SCREAM google sandbox.

    or what am i missing?

    This is what Grizz says for example (who, by the way, holds the number 1 slot for the term Make Money Online - makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com/ - not the easiest thing to pull off)


    "Just like monetization, if you start a new blog and pack a bunch of links on it to other sites you will get sandboxed. Think about this - why would you put links on a new site? You want to send backlinks to other sites and usually to your own. This is why spammers create thousands of sites - they use them to send links (keyword authority - not PR) to their anchor sites or money sites. The moment you add links to a brand new blog you are seen as a likely spam site - don't do it. Wait until you can monetize the site."

    and this is EXACTLY what TheLinkJuicer is doing every single time someone joins...
     
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  14. keinehabe

    keinehabe Supreme Member

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    no need making fun man , look at easy way lol :

    When you create your campaign use any content spinner and create an really good spinable text , then one important thing use multiple keywords you will see here at the keywords tabs you have some formats . Long before when Peter (* the owner of linkjuicer didn't release for public yet ) I give him a very nice db with synonymous unfortunately I see he didn't implement yet this feature here , I know ... it's hard to implement it but will be far away easy than asking peoples to make spin-able versions better to spin them automatically , that was my argument when I asked him about this feature ...

    You don't need pr links to boost your serp ranks , you just need loads of links what can't be traced like being made part of any pattern ... Also , when you create your set of blogs / bookmarks account , try and personalize them a little , change the default categories , themes , make the names how generic you can ... stuff like this ... in this way such a scheme like pic what you posted on first post will be possible . Please understand ... google robots don't know what are the '' niches '' ... they know how to phrase links :) that's the key ...

    One other thing what you need to consider to not stop at linkjuicer in therms of considering '' that's all '' now I sit and watch millions rolling on , when you have few bucks for spare go to service section and hire one of the folks who are selling some xrumer blasts if you don't have your copy , consider also few manual bookmarks , some directory submits ... everything & anything what can bring you a link ... much are better ! even if some girls claiming other things ;) always size matter ! :D
     
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  15. tony-raymondo

    tony-raymondo Junior Member

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    I still dont understand though

    The pounding drum of all the gurus is surmised in this paragraph:

    "Just like monetization, if you start a new blog and pack a bunch of links on it to other sites you will get sandboxed. Think about this - why would you put links on a new site? You want to send backlinks to other sites and usually to your own. This is why spammers create thousands of sites - they use them to send links (keyword authority - not PR) to their anchor sites or money sites. The moment you add links to a brand new blog you are seen as a likely spam site - don't do it. Wait until you can monetize the site."

    And thats exactly what TheLinkJuicer does. It LOADS thousands of blogs without outbound spammy links.

    Are you saying that outbound links from a sandboxed blog (that has every indication of being loaded with spam), STILL have some value?
     
  16. keinehabe

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    well ... you know they are spammy , I know maybe they are spammy ... BUT robot's can't know that . In fact one site can be up since years and still not crawled just because the robots didn't find it , that's the way how robots find sites following links :) ... Age and the links from different and for different sites is not relevant , in fact the robot can't see the date when a site / blog born :) ...

    The sandbox effect it's just a normal protection to prevent spam , in fact again was proved before if you will keep building links and content the sandbox effect will be raised :)

    The linkjuicer system it's preventing from start to bomb links on different places it's auto limiting that . In terms of value ... of course such links will not have same value like very nice edu or gov site or wikipedia ... but it's still a link , remember .. important are the links no matter from where you can get them , important it's to get them , all other things are just details . One more thing to add here , sandbox effect it's dynamically assigned , to new and old domains / sites , it's an complex algorithm what determine that effect to come in charge and we can't make nothing to avoid it , only important thing is to avoid to get banned from serps / deindexed , that's bad , but if you get sandboxed just smile and slap harder more links some more content .
     
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  17. HattyGirl

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    The problem isn´t that you got sandboxed, the damn backlinks are set but Google "refuses" to find them. I put some effort in and linked to some of these backlinks from a Bloggers blog. Hurray, these links were found very soon. But should I have all the work to take Google by the hand and show it all these backlinks after using a paid backlink building service. Forget it is all I can say. Unfortunately I used a lot of these automatic softwares and services and none of them worked (I didn´t try SEnuke, I was really pissed with this web2 shit).
    Anyway, I wish you luck :)
     
  18. tony-raymondo

    tony-raymondo Junior Member

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    The robots know a NEW blog has hundreds of oubound links to websites that are NOT in any apparent Niche and the robots know that many of the websites receiving these links are YOUNG and MONETIZED.


    sure it is
    new sites often get sandboxed.
    for old sites, there is a decreased probability

    The robots see the day you appeared in Google. - close enough.

    are you saying links from sites that are

    NEW
    SANDBOXED
    NOT RELEVANT
    DO NOT COMPRISE A RELATED NICHE

    have any value?

    does this work????
     
  19. nufaman

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    Totally agree with myhatturnedblack, linkjuicer is a total piece of crap. YOu end up getting a bunch of crap backlinks that aren't even indexed.

    Waste of time and money, only clueless newbies think it is good
     
  20. msimurin

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    the more days pass by the harder is to do seo, matt cutts is probably laughing with one of his viagra sites being #1 on serps and killing competition :D