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The ultimate Casestudy! Female opinions accepted!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Scipio00, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    ...opinions of guys, of course, too!

    This Thread is about a case study of 3 very similar projects!



    I registrated 3 very similar domains.

    Similarities:

    • Domainnames is product1-test.com, product2-test.com, product3-test.org, 3 different products!

    • On all domains is wordpress installed with the same plugins

    • Content is autotranslated trash content

    • All websites are in german language

    • Same Hoster/same IP.

    • Same count of pages.

    • Same domainage (5 days)

    • I go with all domains on the keyword: product - later i will go for "product test", too.

    • Competition is average.



    I will write a diary with all things i do with these websites and i will compare the ranking.

    Right now i start with a study about buying Backlinks from BHW and others.

    Anchortext is 50% product and 50% product test.

    I buyed for all domains the same Social bookmarking package (125 bookmarks)

    No deepbacklinks, because my content is trash and perhaps i will delete it or changing wordpress to something else!

    Domain1:
    50k funnel backlinks (30k-16k->4k->moneysite), BL are low class backlinks but like you see, many of them (price 27$)

    Domain2:
    Backlinks From PageRank 3 - 7
    300 Authority Profile
    900 Backlinks
    Massive Profile Ping & Bookmark
    FREE 5.Edu Backlinks
    Cost: $48

    Domain3:
    100 + 50 .edu profiles from different sites = 150 profiles from different sites
    100 profiles X 3 URL's =300 backlinks
    50.edu profiles X 3 URL's = 150.edu links
    Total 450 links with .edu links
    And pinging free
    Price is 40$ for 450 High PR links with .edu links


    Domains are already indexed in google but don´t rank for anything.

    Date of purchasing the BL packages: 20.1.2011


    24.1.2011: i created more backlinks with this script (thanks to peixe01):
    Code:
    http://www.imtalk.org/cmps_index.php?pageid=IMT-Website-Submitter
    Report received for domain1.
    Report received for Webdirectory submissions.

    Ranking product, Ranking product test, indexed backlinks by yahoo:
    Domain1: -,91,-
    Domain2: -,-,-
    Domain3: -,-,-

    25.1 submitted 80 autoblogcomments each domain with "product test" keyword.
    Domain1 was yesterday ranking, but today not.

    Used "Social Bookmarking Nuke" from SENuke on all domains.
    I picked up 3 Bookmarks each and gave them a scrapeboxblasts with autoaproval trash backlinks.


    26.1.2010Ranking "product", Ranking "product test", indexed backlinks yahoo:
    Domain1: -,93,-
    Domain2: -,-,-
    Domain3: -,-,-

    Still nothing is ranking :-(



    My suggested Masterplan from now:


    1. SeNuke using and building more web 2.0 properties (outsourced)
    2. Forumpostings (Thanks to cyberzilla)
      Code:
      http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/member-downloads/265051-get-898-pr6-do-follow-forum-profile-backlinks-submission-guide.html
      (Outsourced)
    3. Scrapeboxblasts to the builded web 2.0 properties (on my own+outsourced)
    4. Blasting german blogcomments on the blogs (gives me about 1500 Backlinks each page, there aren´t too many possibilities) (on my own)
    5. If i have trouble to get fast (within one month after sitestart) into the top 10 => Buying another BL package between 20$ and 60$
    6. 6.)As soon as i am in the Top 20 i will switch to dublicate content with readability
    7. As soon as i make any decent money(50$/month), hiring somebody that writes unique average-good product reviews
    8. .From there just building deep backlinks


    Goal is not ranking a website, Goal is creating a modell for ranking websites with medium tough competition!


    Thoughts?
    Recommendations?
    Article submissions recommended? I don´t get the advantage of niche related backlinks because the content has to be in german for that.

    Now write a post and guess which Domain gets first into the top10 (for "product" KW)!
     
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  2. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    LOL... "Female opinions accepted"

    Reminds me of a time when women were not allowed to vote and were second class citizens. Life was great back then....
     
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  3. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    As for your post, I really like the fact that you are TESTING things to see what works the best. Most people wouldn't waste their time doing that. This could be really useful information. I wish you good luck on this and I have subscribed to this thread.
     
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  4. jarjarbnks

    jarjarbnks Registered Member

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    I bet that domain3 will rank at the top. G is crazy about .edu backlinks.

    However, i'm very curious what would be the rank for domain2 and domain1.
    Look forward to the results.
     
  5. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    I think so, too, but!

    Just because i have with the other backlinkspackages more googledance.

    I could imagine that edu backlinks are totally overrated because people use too much selective perception. They get their results instantly because of the high Trust so they are emotional more inclined to love them.

    Actually i think that i am with D1/D2 faster on #1 but it will take more time to get into the top 10.
     
  6. semilar

    semilar Regular Member

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    LOL :)

    As for the case study:
    1. Do all the domains try to rank for the same keyword?
    2. Are they on different ip's?
    3. Please give us a picture of the competition (like market samurai or traffic travis screenshot, you can edit out the sensible details) - always see your effort in relation to the difficutly of the kw you are ranking for.
    4. How is onpage seo? Does the garbage content contain the kw's? Is the kw ratio identical? Do you have lsi's as well, are they the same, and same ratio?
    5. How many pages do your domains have each?

    Then - Why purchase Social bookmarking, then do social bookmarking by yourself? Doing it yourself should be enough, as far as I know social bookmarking is only good for indexing, and you were already indexed.

    As for the imtalk website - It's also only good for indexing. It does nothing else then add your website url to website stats etc. You can do the same with sb, with even way more sites (I think you own that one too?), but like I said - only good for indexing...

    As for your masterplan, do you apply your points to all 3 websites, or only to one (to see the difference in performance)? Why use garbage content now, dupe content later?

    Cheers and good luck :)
     
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  7. Radog

    Radog Registered Member

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    Same Hoster/same IP.???? Google bot will see this as the same site, put one on each unique ip before running experiments.
     
  8. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    1. No, they rank for different keywords.

    For example:

    clock-test.com
    headset-test.com
    mobilephone-test.org

    Not these domains, but in this kind.

    2. same IP´s

    3. Competition are high domainPR and old Price searching machines with about 300 BL on #1. In all three Cases. Anyways, i try to make a good modell and want to be as general as possible. That´s why a big Analysis of the competition is worthless. Its about creating a modell!

    4. Onpage SEO:
    Wordpress, same Plugins, Content unique, high KW sensibility but not that good readable for humans, autotranslated content by wp robot.

    5. About 15 pages each.

    Like i said, all domains nearly the same project.

    I purchased Social bookmarks because somebody offered some german websites. But yeah, you are right. Next time i save the 8 bucks.

    Yes, Masterplan goes for every domains. I will do everything the same on them until i see which BL Package was more Value.

    I use garbage content because i want to have some unique content on my site. I thought if i have 50% unique/50% garbage my site has better Chances of a good ranking.
    And before i have good ranking nobody will read the content anyways. Thoughts about that?
     
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  9. Blaatje

    Blaatje Power Member

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    Interesting, will be following this thread!
     
  10. tomjerryhacker

    tomjerryhacker Registered Member

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    One thing i didnt understand....

    What r u trying to achieve here????
     
  11. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    I think i can give Value to the Users here and get rewarded with input to my modell.

    New Users see a SEO Technique from start to beginning,
    advanced users will see the impact of the various Backlink packages i ordered.

    What i´m trying to archieve:
    Building a SEO Modell, an overall plan, a masterplan for fast ranking on #1 for medium competition Keywords.
    If i get lucky and this thread gives me much input i will try to do build a more complex modell for high competition keywords (of course that requieres much higher investments).
     
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    Were the results ever posted?
     
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    goodseoman Power Member Premium Member

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    Rep+thank given for real contribution!
    Looking forward to your next posts.
     
  14. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    Updates:

    Still nearly nothing is ranking :-(

    My Outsourceworker made about 10 Forumpostings on high PR Forums for each domain.

    Report received for domain2.

    Pushed ~4k autoaprovalcomments on a webdirectory site where all 3 domains are listed (and just the three).

    Any suggestions what to do more?
     
  15. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    Still no website is ranking for anything. ~20 BL each indexed by yahoo, nothing oficial by google.

    Normally i think i should rank pretty well but because i have so many international backlinks and way less german backlinks there is a bigger delay.

    I targeted my site on google webmasters to germany so no ranking on google.com

    Work done:
    Submitted ~15k german backlinks each site. Gave me ~250BL each + some (in experience ~150) more backlinks later.

    Work in queue:
    More high PR Forum Backlinks for gaining trust (Preparation of buying a second backlinkpage in about ~4 weeks).

    Some spinned articles submits to english article directories (same reason) by SENuke. Submitting real content doesn´t seem worth to me.


    Questions i think about:
    A.) Blasting to international blogs with scrapebox?

    B.) Pinging the german blog links?

    I don´t want to do any RSS submissions because they are too much work and give me more google dances.


    C.) I am willing to spend more money in backlinks within the way to #1 but right now i don´t know at which time is the right time to invest. As soon as possible? On the lategame (jump von #3 to #1 for example)?


    Thoughts for my modell: With ~5 Outsourcers (400$ each) there is no problem to use this modell on about 30 sites at the same time, right now. So perhaps i should design my modell so that it requieres more time per site. But i don´t know how to intensivate the work without loosing to much effiency.
     
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    This will be great to subscribe on :)
     
  17. ars2010

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    Goal is not ranking a website, Goal is creating a modell for ranking websites with medium tough competition!

    :D just want to add some additional info! Site Structures and link structures ! it will make huge impact! to get Big G! first pages rather than backlink! cause we all knows, now Google counts Internal link as backlink It means No more scraper!! lol :p

    Just my 2 Cents :D
     
  18. henke

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    Would be interested in finding out the results of this!
     
  19. thesaintv12

    thesaintv12 Junior Member

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    I'd be interested to hear your results.
     
  20. Scipio00

    Scipio00 Regular Member

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    Reason for missing updates: No Change, they still they rank for nothing.

    Domain1 has 3 pages on ~#150 that aren´t main pages.
    So my conclusion is that the mainpage makes a big google dance.

    Work done:

    • More SENuke work. My Outsourceworker makes pretty good work with this tool.She submitted also articles. I ordered a vps with SENuke preinstalled. Problem is that it´s not that fast but i don´t care too much because the human work is very cheap. Anyways, it costs me about 400$ a month (her salery + vps). For me a total MUST! Unfortunately she already submitted to all sites in the database. I told her to use an autoaprovalliste and submit more backlinks to the web 2.0 properties.


    • Submitted about 20k autoaproval links (about 2000 unique domains) for some web 2.0 sites that she created.

    Unique domainbacklinks for the domains are 54,66,84 by yahoo, nothing by google. If i search for my domain i see that many backlinks are indexed by google.

    Buyed a vps for scrapebox (xsserver), buyed LFE.

    workplan:

    • Building a blognetwork and a pyramid for the sites (hopefully i can archieve ~50k blogs this month. Because the sites are german sites, the german *.de blogs will be the First Tier (my aim is probably 49500->500->moneysites, no linkwheels, no interlinking, it costs too much energie/time and is probably not worth).


    • Submitting all sites to the pligg directories (probably at once for saving worktime).



    Questions:

    • Is there a problem if all my Tier1 Bloglinks link to all 3 domains that are on the same IP? They are just one way backlinks. Tier1 sites and moneysites on the same ip don´t link to each other, of course.


    • Any idea for getting in the fkn google rankings?!? ^^

    • How long do you usually need for start to getting into the top100?


    @ars2010
    I don´t understand, what do you mean? Can you explain in other words, please.