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The truth about Twitter Followers: (Real only come from the Twitter Firehose)

Discussion in 'Social Networking Sites' started by YouFeelMeDawg?, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. YouFeelMeDawg?

    YouFeelMeDawg? BANNED BANNED

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    So this thread was inspired thanks to this http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/social-networking-sites/542713-lets-talk-twitter-campaigns-fellas.html#post5326152 by social1.

    No offense but it still ceases to amaze me that someone who supposely has helped over 1500 clients get twitter followers and says "I sell 100% Real followers every day" doesn't even know what a twitter firehose is.


    LOL... You can't even take some time to google what a twitter firehose is.

    I guess he drank too much of his own Kool-aid, and trying to sell the OP of that thread his own Kool-aid while it was clear the OP was looking for a way to capture real followers not some bullshit followers from a social media retail store as he clearly says that he is past that stage.

    To social1, real companies don't want a bunch of fake followers first, they want real followers and they are willing to pay for them. So if you want to get real companies with deep-pockets, learn to use the firehose to get them targetted tweets they are looking for, especially about their brand.


    So the twitter firehose is the only way you can actually target real tweeter users in real-time.

    So what is a firehose?

    A firehose is basically twitters raw streams , that is around 400 twitter tweets a day, that only a few companies have access too.

    These companies package these tweets and sell them to other clients through an API

    Currently there are 2 companies that sell you this tweets very nicely that I recommend.

    Datasift.com and gnip.com


    Datasift.com gives you a 10 dollar trial credit when you sign up with them, and you can load up your account by 10 dollar increments.

    The way it works is simple, the more specific you want your tweets the higher they charge you.

    Depending on the rule of how you want your tweets, meaning how many rules in your filter you want for your stream of tweets.

    So if you only want any tweet that contains a keyword for example on this one that I did a minute ago

    I did a test stream for the keyword 'insurance'

    I got around 108 tweets in 2 minutes and 15 seconds, and it only costs around .20 cents per hour of real-time streaming for a simple keyword stream, any keyword.

    Now if I wanted 2 keyword stream, double that, if I want to be specific gender, demographics, thats extra.

    What I like about these company is that their rule-based engine is coded in c++, meaning they have a strong backend to deliver these tweets to their clients literally within 1 second of them being posted on twitter.



    However, most of them were people complaining in twitter about insurance too high, insurance didn't cover them shit, who needs insurance, and I only found around 1 in 20 to be people posting insurance offers. Most just posted about insurance jokes, and complains.

    The thing is these were real tweets coming at real-time, so if you had a bot to use these streams and then send them an insurance offer, then thats what I call real-time marketing, I mean it will look kinda weird that as soon as someone tweeted something about "insurance" they would receive a tweet about insurance quote, but hey I don't see anyone still doing that even though it can be done with the twitter firehose

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    So if you want to get Real followers then you need to get access to the twitter firehose through either datasift.com or gnip.com

    Topsy also has access to it, but datasift has a new query builder that makes it for non-techies to get access to their powerful system.


    Now for fake and real-looking followers you can get them on fiverr, blackhatworld bst, and even the guys with 0-10 post guys here who joined less than 1 month ago offer real-looking and fake followers here(that was a joke don't really buy from them, its risky)

    So again, if you get people like social1 who tell you they can get you "Real" followers and hasn't even heard of the twitter firehose, chances are he doesn't know how to get real followers.

    Because real followers in my opinion aren't those who just follow you back, but are those that are targetted.




    So anyways enough of my rant, if you need some real twitter followers you need to entice them to follow you back, and you need to find them from the twitter firehose.

    Just so you guys know, this is how

    viralheat.com , who gives you a semantic-analysis on your tweets related to your brand, and other sites like CRM work. They need access to the twitter firehose in order to social monitor REAL companies brand. They don't go and buy some bullshit followers from some online retail store, lol.

    Next time I think am going to post a few series on what the Next Generation of IM Tools should have, the technology is out there already is only a matter for the bhw developers to incorporate it into their own tools
     
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  2. mikeydell

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    Damn, I can actually say I really learned something after reading this post. Honestly I had never even heard of fire hose until reading your post. Thanks for the great info man!
     
  3. blo0ody1

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    Hello,

    Firstly, thanks for the thread but i think you are missing something.

    Secondly, i have 450,000 real twitter followers [ i have never bought fake ] on my main account, and i have another account for here only to get free stuff, got 90,000 in it.
    What i do with my 450k account is i follow targeted followers and they follow me back, retweet and favourite my tweets.

    How do i target them?
    For example i am seeking for people who wants funny tweets, i target a user who has many followers who only tweet funny things, and i follow his followers, they follow me back.

    Thirdly, when you said "So if you want to get Real followers then you need to get access to the twitter firehose through either datasift.com or gnip.com"
    Well, believe me there are more several ways to get real followers not only the methods you talked about.

    Finally, i mean no offence my friend i just wanted to share my opinion.

    Best wishes.

    P.S: i can also target who to follow by entering the keyword on twitter search bar then following the users who show by using google chrome iMacro.
     
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  4. mikeydell

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    Question,

    Using this method, is there a bot already on the market that would allow me to target said keyword, and automatically send a service/offer to the user based on the given keyword?
     
  5. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    They have a push service, meaning they push those tweets from the streams to a database, so you can easily get a custom made bot to take those tweets from your database and send them a tweet.

    Basically, all you need is someone to make you a bot to send a tweet from the tweets from your stream.

    You can either get the tweets by the API, or you can get them to push it to you by database, webhooks. I mean they make it so easy for you , that you just need someone to make you a simple bot to use the tweets from a database.

    To bloody1
    The way your targetting them is the normal way most people think about, but for a real company who is selling services/products, you can't really use that method.

    Most companies want to target people based on keywords, not scrape other people's twitter acct and follow their followers.

    A company that has a lot of people following doesn't look as good as one that has a lot of followers and very few following.

    This is the most professional approach for twitter marketing, is sort of like the media buy but for twitter.

    Google had access to the twitter firehose in 09, that is how they were able to do the real-time searches. Now they don't , this is how twitter plans on monetizing their traffic, not by selling ads or sponsored tweets.
     
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  6. mikeydell

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    Thanks again for the info. You have me brainstorming now;)
     
  7. blo0ody1

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    Hi again,

    Yes i see the difference now, thanks for explaining.

    Cheers.
     
  8. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    Ya, just get someone to make you that bot, and you should be set.

    I haven't even seen a bot that is actually hooked to the twitter firehose, most just use the API, which is only about 1% of all twitter tweets. Plus, the twitter firehose is practically the only way to actually get twitter raw streams, and datasift just made it even easier to target anyone on tweeter.

    The possibilities are endless to tell you the truth, since you can target tweeter on so many other criterias

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    No problem man, this is more keyword based targetting. It does get expensive if you have a lot of streams going on, but again they don't charge a difference for streaming different kind of keywords like google adwords program.

    So streaming for "insurance" keyword is the same price as streaming for "funny videos".
     
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  9. doctorppi

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    Thanks, new information for me.

    In your example of targetting a I'd probably try replying to them with a soft sell approach rather than send them direct to an offer eg. "Yeah I complained to my insurance as well yada yada but then I found this page on consumer rights yada yada" and send them to a page that has info about comparing quotes with links to appropriate CPA or other offers.
     
  10. kingsare2

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    This is great. I've always stressed this kind of stuff. I almost did business with Social1 but hesitated because he wanted to start with fake followers. I hate that shit. I have a twitter account that keeps loosing followers because they are probably fake and I lost a high paying client over the same thing.

    I never heard of firehose but I always wanted to use a similar method by using TweetAdder to scrape keyword-geotargeted tweets and using a custom bot and promotional accounts to tweet. I did suspect that the number of tweets I was scraping was far too low for the terms that I was using so I think access to the firehose would be the solution to that problem.

    Buying those tweets has got to be expensive. That's my problem with IM, I have a lot of great ideas and I also have great execution, but when it comes to making big $$$ you have to burn a few $$$ to get there and things have been tight lately.

    The question I have is, can you get your primary account banned if your tweeting promos from other accounts? I've seen it happen to a few people, but I should note that these people were blatantly spamming. There was no attempt to try to disguise what they were doing.

    That's another beef I have with the IM world. An exploit appears and people fuck it to death until it's patched. Whatever happened to subtlety? I get that most exploits are patched quickly but all IMers should have a code of honor. Whatever, I guess it's those kids of things that keep my clients coming to me rather than some dick that makes 100,000 with low res photos and bios that say things like 'i love the basketballed.'
     
  11. KasparP

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    Only 400 tweets a day?

    Why not just search keywords on twitter and have a bot send them messages in realtime like that? I use my iMacro fav. script to favorite keywords all the time.

    Plus, wouldn't your account get suspended for tweeting so many times in a very short amount of time?
     
  12. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    Well my opinion is that if you are truly are trying to build a brand and reputation through REAL marketing and not some bh techniques dressed as supposely "marketing" then stick to enterprise tools.

    No real company is going to want someone doing marketing for them by providing them with FAKE followers to get the ball going. Just look at some major fortune 500 companies, shit I know taco bell gave me a free taco the other day for liking their page, why would they give me a dollar taco when they could have bought more likes on fiverr for 5? Because REAL likes are worth more than a bunch of fake likes when it comes to brand recognition and reputation, it stains more your brand when the news get out that you are using FAKE accounts to promote your brand.

    Now here is my best advice I can give you to fully maximize your social media management.

    Right now there are a myriad of opportunities that you can take advantage of, due to the reason that there are so many "social media management" tools out there. The beauty of it is that a lot of them offer an API , which you can integrate into a superior mash-up application, and most of these "social media management" tools offer something different than the other ones in the market.

    This is something that in BHW you can only dream of, imagine being able to have API access to your favorite tools and combine them into a more powerful application that is better than the sum of all its parts. You can't do this with current BHW software because is mostly all desktop based(wow... that sucks). But with these "social media management" tools is a different story,

    I can tell you that a lot of these "social media management" tools do use the twitter firehose in order to monitor your brand, some of them even give you a semantic analysis(thats how advanced they are), which means they can literally tell you how many ppl are saying some negative stuff about your brand, or positive or even just neutral.

    So to summarize, stick to enterprise tools you would be making more progress there than trying to buy FAKE followers here.

    In BHW you make more money when you introduce a new service/product that is not some rehashed link building service or some other rehash product. That is where i see where the real money is at here, introducing some new product that take advantage of outside services/software/products and combining them into a new one.
    Am still working on mine, so I haven't had time to post as much .
     
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  13. PlanitEarth

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    Dear lovely reader,

    I front end dev. for a comp which spends 80k/month on the twitter firehose to provide corporate clients social media monitoring dashboards. I make the front-end charting to display the data (think sentiment trend over time graphs, geo-located, emotion-color-coded points on a google map animated to show the spread of tweets like a satellite weather map, etc)

    But this isn't about me--its about the $$$$$ my role in internet marketing will have...

    Our data streams are organized by client, or, if we can double-dip between clients by market (automotive, banking, cell phones, etc), and to filter the firehose--we don't just use one or two keywords for 10/20c an hour--we have usually 10-50k words, using a huge list of exclusions, exact match phrases, multiple languages, mispellings, and so on.

    It's very big-brother because you can actually click on a point on the geo-map, and it zooms in to show the thumbnail of the user overlayed on google maps--down to the street. You click on the thumbnail, and their bio info pops up and what they said, their KloutScore, and you can reply to them as whichever client is signed into our web application, or see past posts by them which matched the stream definition.

    I used to have access to our account credentials and had a lot of fun playing around, but they changed the password for Datasift and I'm just the front-end guy. However, I know there are dollars to be made using the firehose for medium or small businesses, as well as individuals not willing to shell out 2k/month.

    So I'm creating a web application for IM, which essentially is a simple UI for people to create their own stream definitions, and be able to hook up their twitter accounts or rent a pool of the software's accounts to interact with the resulting tweets/twitter profiles. IE, they pay $20/hour to have our service output a message like "hello relevantUser, broke up with your gf? pay here for fleshlight--link" to 1000 users who matched their stream definition for recently broken up, sell $50/hour worth of fleshlights using their affiliate link in the mention tweets===profit.

    This is a crappy example, but with all of the firehose's extra parameters not in search, this service would dominate twitter marketing.
    Good thread OP!

    Love,
    Dr Dr Saulsberry
    DonaldKSaulsberry is on gee-male
     
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  14. superslikuzi

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    This is great, I actually learned something here.

    As for the guy who posted earlier about trying to find people who are looking for funny tweets I think I have a solution.
    Its called ReFollow, and basically it scrapes users who follow "x" account, etc. The thing I like about it most is you can filter out the results by things such as: Date last tweeted, Profile Pic, number of follows, etc. to help weed out the spam accounts. Using this you can make a list of followers, then use a bot to follow them all
     
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    I have to agree with you, my example was very bad. I just couldn't find the right words for it to be honest and a way to express my thoughts about this service in the right way.

    However, thanks a lot for your input, I am actually very happy to have an experienced front end developer actually putting his/her experience into this thread about their experience with the twitter firehose.

    Your idea for a service that your trying to create is pretty much the same idea i had of a product that can be built around the twitter firehose, no doubt that service would dominate all the other tweeter services before its copycapt by others.

    Well, I just hope there are more talks about the twitter firehose since this is the only thread in the whole forum that mentions the twitter firehose(and we call this a marketing forum lol.

    Now back to yoru idea, I think you should be able to do what your doing if you were to use the twitter API and then use either celery or some other type of distributed task or perhaps a service.

    I was thinking of doing something similar but use ironMQ and ironWorker for the backend, and make an API with an apigee account leading to a proxy api to flask-restful api, and if i i needed anything else I was just gonna go straight with using boto library to deploy some ec2 instances.

    I am curious, were you planning on developing your simple web application with RoR , php, perhaps python?
     
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    So this way you send out targeted tweets. But how do you get the followers? Just hope that they follow you after you tweet to them?
     
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    I'm kind of confused, but really intrigued. First, how is the firehose different from TA 3 or even just signing on to twitter and performing a search for a keyword? Are you saying that when I perform a normal keyword search on Twitter I'm not really seeing all the data for that keyword in real time, and that the firehose provides all that data in real time.

    Example: I sign on to Twitter and search for "rolex" and I get a stream of 100 recent tweets containing the term "rolex." Are you saying that Twitter is selectively showing me only 100 recent tweets containing the term, when in fact there may be 1000's of recent tweets containing the word rolex, and the firehose would give me access to the additional 900 tweets.

    Sorry for my convoluted examples and questions, I'm just trying to understand.

    Edit: After taking a look at gnip I think I understand a little bit more. Firehose is not just giving you access to tweets in real time, you're also getting access to user demographic data, klout scores, and other targeting data to go along with those tweets.
     
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  19. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    Basically, the twitter API and search is roughly 1% of all of their tweets. On top of that, the results that you are shown are only the ones the twitter think they are of high revelance to your search, and they are not real-time.

    The twitter firehose is all the raw tweets as they happen, only a few companies have access to the twitter firehose. And there is a reason why because it would take a massive setup to process around 400 million tweets a day.

    You need to setup your streams filter and they charge you based on how many fitlers you have on your stream.

    So for a blackhatter this is the holy grail, because for us it doesn't matter more than a simple demographics and keyword fitler for us to automatic do a search and reply.

    So if you can do a stream filter for keywords such as 'insurance', you wouldn't want to really pay more for a more defined filter and get less tweets if you are simply just gonna do a search and reply.

    So the tweeter firehose is liteally a way to get access to any tweets you want based on your filters as they happen in real time.

    By the way, datasift gives you 10 dollar free credit when you sign up. That is enough to play with it for atleast 24-48 hours straight with some simple filters.

    This is a whole different way of marketing with twitter, if TA or any other tweeter tool added this into their software it would seriously be a must have tweeter tool.

    So far even the creators of those softwares don't have any idea of the existance of the tweeter firehose, if they did it would be a no brainer to integrate this into their software .
     
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    Ahh, I get it now, thanks for the explanation. :D It's kind of like how FB's algorithm filters out certain posts so they don't show up on your newsfeed. So are the companies that do have access to the firehose paying Twitter boatloads of money for that access?

    And, I agree, a TA3 type program with the complete firehose data and geotargeting capabilities would be absolutely unstoppable.