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The Truth About Paid Link Networks In Late 2013

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Scritty, Sep 27, 2013.

  1. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    No bullshit - no editorial. You know what a paid link is right? You know what a private network is right?
    If not there is a forum full of answers right here on BHW.
    What is a private network, a public one.. If you don't know this might not be the thread for you. If you need reminding then have a read of this..

    http://www.demondemon.com/2013/06/25/public-or-private-network-links/

    But the question I see now is "are they good or bad" and that's not a question anyone can answer without realizing a few facts. They are good for some - bad for others..and here's why...

    If you use them correctly paid links and paid and private linking techniques still work very well.
    If you buy into SAPE links in the knowledge that they will not last forever and your site will be penalized once they are discovered, then that's fine. For $50 a month you can get a site ranked highly for many commercial terms inside days. Make a ton of money - then take the hit when it comes. If your ROI is in the 1000's of per cent per month then why wouldn't you do it?

    A few dollars brings in a few thousand in affiliate commissions for a site that took you 1/2 a day to set up and, including domain registration and hosting costs, costs less than $60 per month upkeep. A "no brainer" really

    Where these paid link networks are a disaster is webmasters with a real business, or with a site they are trying to build authority and rank long term are used as the target.
    It will likely be ruined (and take a long time to rebuild) when the hit comes - and it almost definitely will come one day.
    For microniche site builders, people who have 100+ mini sites selling affilaite products (many with short shelf lives - like the latest TV sets or whatever), then these links are fantastic.
    Get in - make your cash - get hit - move on. That may not be the way you work, or want to work, but it is an extremely profitable way to go.

    The trick is (was - I don't so micro niche any more) to not get emotionally involved with a website. My network back before 2011 used BMR. It got hit, we were told that Google had won the battle of paid networks (erm that was 2+ years ago - before SAPE even begun - and only a tiny fraction of SAPE has been discovered so far)

    Build it - Link it - Profit from it - Lose it - Start again

    Maybe have a "real" website running along side it.

    There's a lot of nonsense about Google "cleaning house" and how this method or another doesn't work., Seems mostly heresay to me, or wishful thinking.
    99 times out of 100 links work, Often I see any old content works (copied, unreadable) whatever.. Less than in the past, slightly different methods used.
    BHW evolves very quickly - we are quick thinkers here. Real profit hunters with fast feet. Someone who is hungry for success and loves their job WILL ALWAYS beat a corporate stooge looking to plug loopholes. That's the same in every form of business whether internet based or not.

    Google propaganda might make you think they've sorted this out, but a look at serps an affiliates bank balances who use these techniques tell you that they haven't.

    Before I get the same nonsense answer - there is nothing "short term" about it either.

    These techniques have worked since Google - how is that short term? How many lifetimes do we measure "short term".

    I made and profited hugely from microniche sites for a few years. I know many in the business using twists on the methods I used back then that still do. Making perhaps $30,000 a month in some cases - and for very little effort.

    Panda and Penguin - The "clown face of fear" that hit a few websites and got many timerous affiliates jumping out of the boat (their cleansing effect on serps was more a result of fear than actual punitive action on poor content and bad link backgrounds)

    Moz and other sites state boldly that "Google has cleaned house"...errm how exactly?

    We can see they "SAY" they have, and we can see and hear a few dozen of the most egregious spammers and content thrashers QQing about their slaps..but a look at SERPs shows more or less the "same as it ever was"

    Google's biggest wins always seem to be propaganda rather than in reality.
    So Ghost rank got hit. Those who bought in over 6 months ago have ranked and banked and made a huge ROI if they knew what they were doing. By Monday they will have new sites, new content and new links from a different network and be making 100% of their entire investment back about once every 4 hours.
    It's not for everyone, but claiming it doesn't work or is "short term" when it's as old as Google and shows no sign what-so-ever of stopping is just burying your head in the sand

    Flip side?

    Using these private link/paid networks on your pride and joy site? The site you hope will gain traction and authority over time?
    That's a quick route to a fucking disaster.

    Scritty
     
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  2. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    what's your opinion on private networks that interlink websites ?

    for example: i create 30 websites and interlink them through sitewide links and the eventual plug-in link (if you like this blabla check this blabla) based on article tags and geo-location

    my OBL's are going strictly to sites that are within the network, sites that are showing that they're part of a network... Will that go with the big G's or will my entire network get deindexed ?
     
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    Well said OP good to see someone seeing both sides of the game...

    Thanks...
     
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    So true, Scritty always saying it how it is ;)

    Churn and burn still works godly, you'd be stupid to pass up on these opportunities right now.

    I'm not saying whitehat doesn't work, definitely does and I favor it myself as well (look at my amazon journey for example) but nothing is stopping you from spending 30 minutes a day and a few hundred bucks (or a couple tens of thousands of captchas) to make some nice extra cash.
     
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    True story bro.

    It is pretty clear that paid links is the Achilles' heel of Google. It has been and always will in my opinion.

    I really don't see how they solve this problem in their algorithm other than outright picking winners and losers themselves.

    They can only attempt to "contain" the problem, but they never will be able to fully eradicate the problem without doing a complete overhaul of their algorithm, which I don't see them doing any time soon.
     
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    I don't think there is any possible way of google completely eradicating paid links or blog networks.

    I reckon they can only catch networks and paid links and simply hit those sites using them.

    If google hit networks then new domains and new networks will simply appear in a few days later.

    a very tough battle for google, but a very good thing for us that use them ;)
     
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    Absolutely true
     
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    Exactly, these kind of links will ALWAYS work, they just have to be used correctly.
     
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    Thanks for another great post Scritty. I always feel happy when I see a thread started by you :p
     
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    Thanks for this very informative post, Scritty. Those noobs who keep starting "SAPE Busted" threads should read this thread before posting.
     
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    Fuck that was a good post lol. Enjoyed that a lot. 10/10
     
  13. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Safer for sure - but not 100%. IN 2009 Google understood the interlinked relationships of link rings. They understood that;

    a) They were self promotional
    b) They could follow 2 paths from each node. One to another link in the ring, another to the money site.

    So "follow the link" is something Google have done before, and they don't just follow it one step - in 2009 they showed they could follow a trail of links and uncover stuff.

    I've seen no evidence that Google are doing this now with "trees" or "pyramids" (that replaced interlinked rings about 4 years ago) - but I would always have it in the back of my mind that they probably have the ability to if they wanted.

    Scritty
     
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    What do you think about website that is using both methods?

    For example, site that have excellent and unique content, have good traffic and real, loyal, visitors daily, but use some SAPE or some paid link building?
     
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    what i'm trying to do is not black hat per say and i'm not trying to stay under their radar ... but it is rather obvious that i won't be able to interlink every site to every site and some will have a lower OBL or not point back to every site that points to them and my main concern is if Google sees a link "ring" as illegal and frowned upon

    main idea is like this ... if i have 30 websites wouldn't it be obvious and normal to link them all together since they're all mine and i would like to promote each of them from within rather than pursuing other methods like link buying ...

     
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    Thanks for the good read. I cannot wait until I finish uni and I have more time for IM. I want to try the good old rank and bank method, but unfortunately I just don't have the time :(
     
  18. Adam718

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    It looks to me that interlinking a network/link wheel is always going to be a bad idea in the long run. If you have clients or sites of your own that you plan on doing business with long term, then you should have it ranking fairly well (hopefully). This, in my opinion, raises awareness to google that your site should be checked out, whether an algorithm sweep of your site or manual. It's way too easy to notice a series of websites that link to each other AND your money site. Think about who were dealing with, its Google. This company is making cars that drive themselves, so I'm sure they're capable of programing an algo to follow links around.

    It won't take THAT much longer to not need to interlink, and the assurance that your site probably won't get hit is worth it in my own experience.
     
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    Thanks for the great post. It is really so informative.
     
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    Google doesn't care about your excellent content when you are gaming the system. As long as you use "some SAPE" links, you will still get busted and degraded in the SERPs.