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"The Social Network" - Movie About Facebook - Just Saw It

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by MisterGemini, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. MisterGemini

    MisterGemini Senior Member

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    Well, I just got back from seeing The Social Network. I have been waiting for it eagerly because I really like to see how people respond to learning about Mark and how he screwed everyone around him. I have known about the marks story for a number of years. I like knowing all the ins and outs of these giants and what skeletons they hold in their closets. Google has some nasty ones too that could possibly bite it in the ass one day if they ever pissed off their shareholders too much.

    I got to the theater early (30 minutes) to get a good seat. To my surprise, found the place empty except for 6 people sitting in the very back. This is the 2nd night of it's opening after all. As we sat there I began to wonder if this movie was going to be a flop. I have been 30 minutes early to other movies and end up having to get crappy seats. However, after about 5 minutes, people started pouring in, and before I knew it, the theater was adequately packed.

    I won't go into all the details about the movie itself, only that I found it rather entertaining, and well done. It took me a little while to clue into the continual forward and backward shifts in the movie between him getting sued, and the story of how things happened.

    By the end of the movie, there are some abundantly clear things.

    1. Mark stole the idea from the other students and lied to his friend who funded it to get it started.
    2. Mark completely and utterly screwed his best friend because he couldn't stop sucking on Seans glimmer milk teets.
    3. Mark is completely obsessed with how people view him and his reputation.
    4. Facebook got big because of its exclusivity to college students. However - it has gone way beyond this, and is no longer exclusive. There are dogs with facebook profiles now. So what does this mean?

    Just to give some background on how Mark is reacting to all this. In case any of you missed it, he showed up on Oprah the day before opening day of this movies release to tell everyone how he just gave $100 million to the Newark Public School system. A cause he has nothing to do with, and really doesn't care about. Oprah even pointed this out to him on her show. His little PR stunt exposed.

    It sort of played right into what the whole movie showed about Mark. A failure in the real world (as far as connecting with real people is concerned) trying to make a reputation for himself in the cyber world. Which is exactly where the movie ended, with him attempting to reconnect with his gf, via his facebook, and doing nothing but refreshing the page, waiting for her response.

    I enjoyed it. If you are thinking of seeing it, go ahead, you likely will not be disappointed. It's an entertaining drama which most of us will be able to better relate to than most of the 'users' out there. :)

    Share your thoughts on the movie here after you see it.

    Mister Gemini
     
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  2. highrider778

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    it's a good movie, kinda funny, very quick witted as mark goes round and round with his friends and lawyers, we're all online jinkies, so go see it for sure
     
  3. JGUT12

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    I saw this movie last night and enjoyed it as well. Good review and reflection you gave.

    I think Mark is a genius but lacks the "social" skills most people desire. Great movie and great way to get exposed for lying, stealing, and being a social misfit.
     
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  4. afallison

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    the way i saw it, mark didn't steal shit. you can't make up a broad idea and claim 100% of what mark did as your own. he may have rolled with the idea, but that's it. he made it his own. his "best friend" ********ed him out of all the money that kept fb alive by wiping the account. if it wasn't for shawn fanning, fb never would have happened since funding was wiped from the fb account by mark's "best friend".

    also, who DOESN'T try and find the best pic for their profile. does that make everyone obsessed with how people view themselves or do people just want to show their best side publicly?

    #4 is just dumb. what if google stopped at the search engine :/

    fb or any other site is only as exclusive as your friend list.
     
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    "there are dogs with facebook profiles" LOL
     
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    old story , read about bill gates he did dirty thing like this
     
  7. MisterGemini

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    Little different. At least bill paid for taking other peoples ideas. :)

    However.. its sort of interesting.. lets look at the two giants.

    Microsoft - Bill
    Facebook - Mark
    Google - Corp
    Apple - Steve

    Bill screwed Steve - now Steve is partnered with Google - Bills competition
    Mark screwed everyone around him - now Bill is partnered with Facebook

    Guess the two deserve each other.

    @afallison - If he didn't take anything, then he had no reason to keep leading the other students on for almost 2 months as though he was working on the project with them (as the numerous emails/txt he sent showed). He would have just said, no thanks, I'm going to do this myself. He didn't though. Also, when he made the published announcements about facebook, he used the exact same concept/ideas as they gave him in starting it. Practically word for word.

    His friend would have never frozen the accounts had Fanning not gotten involved the way he did. They would have moved forward some other way.

    Taking an idea an expanding on it is one thing, but this was straight out taking. He didn't expand anything on the launch of thefacebook. If you noticed in the movie, mark never had an original idea of his own. He was the coder that took whatever ideas others gave him and programmed it, that's about it. Mind you, that's the movie. However, the historical elements of how things went down overall do match up with the history.
     
  8. stradivari

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    I personally see no bad -at all- with Mark's alleged disconnection to the real world... The world is not exactly that funny, even worse if you're not on the right "side" of it (war, famine, no food, no water, rape...). Greed and struggle for power have been constants throughout the whole existence of mankind and it's not uncommon to find "virtual" communities way more humane, trustworthy and collaborative than the "real" world...

    As far as I understand Mark made billions, he's a technology powerhouse in his mid 20's, he can even shop for all the gf's :rolleyes: he wants lol Also -for better or worse- he's some sort of "innovator" who kinda changed the interaction among several million people and it's not unlikely that he might be right when he stated that fb will eventually replace the phone.

    Now, he did what most people would have done if they had half his vision? talent? ruthless sense of business? Call it whatever you want, he's been vastly successful in a truly complicated field and he deserves a lot of credit for it.

    Any kind of business is a dog-eat-dog game and scams and ripoffs are part of it. Whether one likes it or not. The "don't be evil" motto is something equally clever and hypocritically unrealistic, but what else would you expect from an advertising company? My conclusion is that a certain degree of disconnection is not only useful to start a business, but a huge advantage to leave the real-world confined to what it really is. And to wrap up, being friendly or building a public image to look like the coolest guy in the block won't prevent all the envy issues that the surrounding world will develop against you once you become successful.

    That's an inevitable evidence of the "real world".
     
  9. MiLiTARYiV

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    Man when you get big or start to come up, everybody going to say one way or another that you did them dirty bla bla bla. Just the way life goes.

    I never ever heard of one rich person that was a slime that didn't do some body dirty..

    2nd Whats up with all this stole ideal bla bla bla.. This is a free world. If somebody blurt out a ideal and somebody else reacts on it, doesn't mean they stole there ideal....


    Mark didnt steal nothing . He tweaked and reacted on somebody else ideal..

    To steal his ideal, meaning he snuck into his dorm late night and stole his friend confidential paperwork about the facebook ideal..

    You cant steal something that somebody openly tells you...
     
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  10. stradivari

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    I couldn't agree more.
     
  11. Checkmate

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    Cool I will watch on bootleg
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  12. syngenetic

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    Thanks for using the spoiler tag. -_- But nice review, makes me want to go watch it.
     
  13. shadowfax

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    Haven't seen the movie but I have to agree that most people who have made it big have lots of skeletons in their closets.. In today's world it would take an incredible amount of hard work, dedication and vision to be successful without using any unethical means...

    In lighter vein, I would love to see how Mark reacts when his billions disappear during solar flare of 2013 :p
     
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    Gonna go see it tonight, at first wasn't planning on it but since you said it was good ill give it a shot. Definitley interesting theme of the movie, I really enjoyed the movies about bill gates and how he did it.

    If you have time try to watch "pirates of silicon valley" its a hybrid of an actual movie and a documentary. There is commentary on what is happening from a couple of the microsoft / apple guys but it is mostly an actual movie. It really shows how Bill gates and Steve Jobs formed their companies, it is really easy to see the differences and how Microsoft was close to being irrelevant had they not did some crafty theft. Also shows Steve Jobs as way to trusting of someone who was clearly out to screw him.
     
  15. qesire

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    Hello,
    I saw the movie, they could have made him look a million times worse if they wanted to, all he was doing in the movie was defending himself against paying some twin dickwads some money that they did not deserve.
     
  16. Sprouts

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    So this is only in theaters right...?
     
  17. MisterGemini

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    As far as I know. It just came out 3 days ago.

    @qesire - Yeah, they could have made him look worse. They glazed over the part where he was hacking into other students account. They also in the end make it out as though we should be sympathetic to him with a paralegal who seems to take an interest in comforting him.

    I don't know if I would call them dickwads. They are clearly from another strata of society most here do not interact with or understand. If you think about it, they tried everything in their power to sort things out, and the last course of action they took was to finally sue him. It was Mark that was being the dickwad towards them. Even running away like a little girl every time he happened to see them in campus.

    If they were just a couple of rich kids that did nothing but drink and party off daddies dollars, I would say dickwads, but if you paid attention to where and when they came into scenes, they were always working hard to achieve their goals. Even went on to the Olympics. Harvard has a culture of success and social structure that is very high. I'll never fully appreciate it or understand it. Movie makers knew that, and attempted to show these guys were not just lazy rich kids like most would like to paint them. Look at them, they are so pretty. Difficult to take seriously. :)

    They provided him with the start-up base for how it would operate. When they called him into Harvard Connect they had already programmed some of it. He just went about recoding it his own way. Like most programmers do. This was his repeated defense. Run it through a duplicate code checker (as far as logic and functions are concerned, if that ever existed) and yeah, he took what was theirs. If I handed a program over to a programmer to be further developed, and 6 weeks later 'my program' was suddenly being sold online under his own name, that's not cool.

    I hope I'm not giving the impression that I hate the guy or think the level of success he has now is nothing compared to all this. I think it is no accident though that facebook continues to be hounded with privacy issues while mark is in control of things. This is a real look into the person behind the antics.

    Anyways, point of this thread is to talk about the movie, and for those that actually saw it to comment on it. Glad to see some are going to go catch it. Love to get some more perspectives.
     
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  18. talkmeow

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    I think the most humorous part about all this is that Mark donated $100 million to one of the most corrupt school systems in America and most of that money will probably never even make it into the schools.
    Not to mention, he didn't even donate cash. I heard he gave them shares in FB, which of course is not even traded on the primary markets yet and probably very hard to "cash out".
    To be honest, he sounds like a complete idiot who just got very lucky with his facebook idea....or stealing the idea, whichever.
     
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    I haven't seen it, but I don't think anyone is claiming the movie is an accurate representation of what actually happened.
     
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    In business today, I dont see anyone being "lucky" enough to build a billion...multibillion dollar company. It may have been someone elses idea to start with... but the idea is only an idea...its worthless without a successful implementation. Dont believe me... just go to bankruptcy court one day and look at all those good ideas that were crappily implemented.

    He may be a schmuck...but he DID it. He did not sit on the sidelines making excuses why he couldnt make it. I dont think idiot properly describes him. As someone said earlier, if you have a successful idea, someone else ALWAYS pops up saying it was their idea and it was stolen...as tho' the idea somehow makes money...

    FWIW

    P.S. I plan on seeing this movie tomorrow
     
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