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The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by marrrko, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. marrrko

    marrrko Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    In the past few weeks people are mostly scared because of new Google algo changes and emails they received about unnatural links and shits like that.

    All in all what's going on, you can read it here and i got confirmation from other sides also, so this it 100% true:




    "I just wanted to make an observation, one that I've repeated in the past but bears restating now:

    => Search Engine Optimization is still alive and well! <=

    I recently had a Google employee (one of their manual reviewers) tell me that SEO is dying. That Google had lots of smart people who have figured it all out. I pointed him here:

    http://www.seomoz.org/blog/how-goog...2,+Issue+1&utm_campaign=Moz+Top+10+-+March+#1

    The link above shows SEOMoz making it plain that links still rule Google results -- even low quality, spammy links are still getting people ranking. That's been old news to me for years.

    You see, Google loves to talk big about all of the metrics they put into their algorithm. And YES, they do have more quality controls in there then they used to -- especially when dealing with ultra competitive keywords.

    But most of what Google puts out is smoke and mirrors. The bottom line is still this: create great content for your human visitors and get lots of links from everywhere you can -- relevant of otherwise -- to get ranked in Google.

    That's been the "magic formula" almost from the beginning, and it's still the formula today. The only big exception that changed many years ago is that Google stopped valuing reciprocal links. Other than that I'm still seeing the same old sites ranked by the same old links for many queries.

    My favorite one has been sitting at #1 since 2004. It's being ranked by links from static link pages put up on a bunch of other sites, all trading three-way links. The link pages are hideous and obviously designed for the sole purpose of manipulating search results. The ranking site looks like something out of the mid 1990's. No tables, ugly as sin, all of the text is in bold black with a white background.

    The keywords it ranks for only get a few thousand searches per month, but it's an SEO related phrase that is highly sought after because it's very lucrative.

    So to rank in Google we have:

    1. A hideous site.
    2. Obvious link manipulation.
    3. SEO-related term (should be a red flag, dontcha think?)

    And yet that site has sat at #1 for more than 7 years now. I check on it every time Google announces their "next big thing" in their algorithm that's supposed to remove SPAM, improve SERP quality and reduce the effects of artificial manipulation.

    Uh-huh. Ok. Right.

    Another set of keywords I follow religiously (just out of personal interest) is old time radio.

    Now, I'm not going to tell you which site it is, but one of the top ranking sites for that phrase (which gets close to 20,000 searches a month) is ranking almost completely on the power of links from cheezy, low quality directories and tons of links from free blog sites. The directories have virtually no backlinks -- just a few, enough to get them indexed. It's all obvious to the human eye, and yet the site sits comfortably near the top of the results (and actually went UP after Panda).

    This same site ranks for lots of "old time radio"-related keywords, too, so you know they're laughing all the way to the bank.

    Has Google recently pounded down a few blog networks? Yes, it has. They got too big and came into the radar. But has Google algorithmically prevented all such link networks from working? Absolutely not. These examples and countless others show that to be the case.

    What Google has done in the past, and continues to do, is occasionally pound a few big examples of outright manipulation. It does that to put the fear in the little guys, who of course go running to the forums and their blogs pronouncing that Google has discovered how to prevent XYZ from working to get rankings. Whatever it is: spinning, link networks, you name it. And yet those same tactics continue to rank sites all over the queries I follow on a daily basis.

    It's like squashing a few big roaches to make the little ones run for cover in the walls. It works temporarily, but your problem isn't solved!

    The point is: through all of Google's algorithm changes and all of their smoke and mirrors, the same thing is true and always has been. Repeat this to yourself every day and act on it:

    Great Content + Lots of Links = Google Rankings

    Great Content + Lots of Links = Google Rankings

    Great Content + Lots of Links = Google Rankings

    Great Content + Lots of Links = Google Rankings

    Great Content + Lots of Links = Google Rankings"


    SO GUYS IF YOU GET ANY EMAIL REGARDING UNNATURAL LINKS FROM GOOGLE JUST IGNORE IT, CONTINUE WITH LINK BUILDING AND HAPPY SPAMMING! :)



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    To your success.

    Regards,
    Marko​
     
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  2. danny1

    danny1 Regular Member

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    Yes, but you have made no reference to Jonathon Ledger's forum, where most of your post was copied and pasted from:

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  3. marrrko

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    Yes that's right, just wanted to say that also, plus i got another confirmations from another sides so YES this new G shits are mostly just here to scare people.

    Thanks for links i couldn't find it, i got this info from my friend.
     
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    Thank you very much, Google is just trolling around trying to scare us :)
     
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    Something like that, i working now on some "test sites" some tests, and will post here updates how is going ;)
     
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  7. sam0016

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    Google will try to scare people away from blackhat SEO hoping to get people not to try it you should not believe everything people say especially big company's like Google do some research before you believe what they say well that is how I see it.
     
  8. PeaceLoveSubmission1

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    Your right, because at the end of the day thats all any can site is great content and great links if that wasent the case how on earth would goodle rank the sites? Although i do think they are catching up on the autmated link building. people using bots to get a million links in 30 seconds...
     
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    Jonathon always knew how to explain recent updates on Google, and this is just one of his great posts which again explains that Google is still vulnerable ;)
     
  10. brutang

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    Good post, thanks.. it's nice to see some good info on here that's not simply "omg BMR/ALN/HPRS/insert-link-method-here died Google manually reviewed my site help!"

    I'm redoubling my efforts now more than ever, I'd imagine a massive dropoff in backlinking efforts is more suspicious post algo update or webmaster warning/whatever than ever. If backlinks are "naturally" coming in every day from "unnatural" places as they claim, it's not exactly "natural" for them to stop coming in once Google shakes their finger at you, is it?
     
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    Ever since this happened my sites been dancing around like a drunk teenager. Today where my rankings that were dancing from page 1 to 9 to 2 to 3 are now NO where. and my main kw where i was number 1 on google is on page 3 and 2 yesterday etc.

    When will the dance end!
     
  12. kideze

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    yea seo is never dead, as an old head told me before SEO been around since the 90's so it just all about adapting to what works. Google wasn't even the reason SEO started as some of you believe but since they are the lead boss right now you have to deal with them they way they tell you too.
     
  13. R0meo

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    just trying to understand from google prospective explains a lot
    *of course google wants see quality in web-pages, it would be better for their daily users who use search.
    *of course they want to get rid of junky and low quality websites and especially from top pages, but they cant as this would cut a big chunk of they income.
    *of course they have to scare us (rolling out few updates), as they expect us to produce more quality

    personally i believe that they would never do anything drastic for their algorithm, as they afraid to loose domination in the world internet search or just to loose huge percent of money
     
  14. kaif0346

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    great info but copy/pasted. this is true because ALN is till working..
     
  15. Smart SEO

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    It's really hard to believe this is true. I had a simple 3 page website will 100000% unique content and used $50 worth of spammy fiverr gigs and i didnt rank for shit.

    If someone can prove me wrong i would be suprised.
     
  16. marrrko

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    Just try, work hard and you will see it is a true ;)
     
  17. seovirtualassistance

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    Its a great post to be honest about the google update.
     
  18. marrrko

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    Yes and most important it is all true, i working on some tests now, and so far so good. Will update this thread after i finish.