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The "secret" to websites with few links and high rankings

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gorang, Mar 5, 2011.

  1. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    Hi Fellas

    This is mostly relevant to affiliate sites.

    I've been around this community for quite a few years now and it seems a lot of people haven't discovered the real secret to websites with high rankings and low amount of links.

    Why am i telling you this? Because it is not a magic pill and it benefits the user's experience using Google anyway.

    Something I discovered which you should know first.

    I believe that the algorithm Google uses treats different keywords/sectors of search differently.

    For example, Google treats websites/search results for "Acai berry juice pills" differently than it does "home made orange juice" and "how to grow a tree".

    Google will look at the intention behind a search query and the type of websites that target that query. So chasing a "buy" keyword is different from chasing a "how to". There are all different types of searches and Google's algo treats them differently.

    What this means is that what you did to rank for X website may need an adjustment if you plan to action the same strategy to another niche.

    So what's the secret?

    Basically, the secret is that you don't let Google know you are an affiliate.

    You have to play the long term game. 1 years is the mark before a website will become authority(1-5 top rankings for all pages). Now this doesn't mean you can't reach the first page with our normal spammy sites. You can, but i'm guessing most of you have hit the "invisible wall" at some point which you can't push past?

    The best example I have for you is my old old site what-is-thrush.com You type in any thrush related keyword and it is number 1 above the NHS, Wikipedia, BBC, mayoclinic. For nearly every keyword. It receives 2,000 uniques a day and unfortunately it is not mine anymore because I sold it after a year(bummer!).

    So the secret... in essence, you have to mimic a non-profit website. You content has to be spot on. Hire a writer to write 700 word articles and then edit them to make sure they make perfect sense and would actually help the people who visit your site.

    Why do this? Because once you get closer to the first page in Google they will manually assess your website, especially if you run adsense. The person who makes the assessment WILL give you a negative trust-score if they believe your website is simply there to channel users into your affiliate links. So play the game and pretend to be non-profit.

    Did you know the advertisements on your website affect your Google ranking? If you have crappy dating or acai berry adverts on your website then Google will mark your quality down.

    Build links moderately. The rules to follow when building backlinks are these;

    Make sure the anchor text is varied. Also make sure the anchor text is not just exact keywords. Overlap your anchor text with the sentence it is in. E.G. You can find out more about acai berry here.

    Also, don't vary your anchor text too much. It has to be relevant.

    Also try to build small numbers of links reguarly. Whatever you do don't blast 100k links to blogs with 1,000 outbound links already on them. Google is sneaky, they do not "deindex" your website. They simply make it EXTRA HARD for your particular website to rank highly.

    Make sure the template is user friendly. Google now scans the whole website with it's recent update, including the template.

    So in a nutshell, simply make a website which helps users with a certain topic, ensure the content is great, leave it for around 3-5 months while building small amounts of baclinks regularly. After the website begins toh it the first page, add your affiliate links.

    What is thrush was on the first page for it's search queries with around 100-200 links. Since then the new owner has been paying for seo services and has around 1,00 now.

    I've tested this with many websites and it all comes down to simply providing a really good website which helps users with their problems. Once Google has manually vetted your site and you are hitting page 1 you can begin earning money form it.

    It is the true secret. You hardly need many links at all.

    To help prove it to you, i'll reveal one of my sites. It is a blog about facebook games. In 1,8 billion competing pages I am number 7-10 in the world for the keyword "facebook games". With 550-600 backlinks.

    I also own affiliate sites which I didn't follow ym own rules on and no matter how many backlinks I create they won't move. Google's sneaky work :)

    So that's the secret. Good content, good site, aged, no aff links and moderate backlinks.
     
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  2. Blaatje

    Blaatje Power Member

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    So 5 web 2.0 with 10k backlinks each is better than 50k backlinks to money site.
     
  3. terryuk

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    I wouldn't say it's a secret, just a method that works for you......... good work
     
  4. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    The reason I say secret is because it's one thing that truly works extremely well that a lot of people don't realise.
     
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    I've hardly ever created any pages and blasted tons of links to them. Actually, that's a lie i've done it a couple of times, but I mainly use profile links, with sprinkles of blog comments and quality article submissions.
     
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    google hates affiliates more than the devil hates god.
     
  7. MRomeo99

    MRomeo99 Newbie

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    There are so many fallacies in the OP it's not even worth getting into. I mean you contradict yourself so many times it's hard to figure out what you actually believe.

    - Make sure the anchor text is varied.

    and two sentences later...

    - Also, don't vary your anchor text too much.

    And Google Manually vets your sites? Are you kidding me? There are billions of sites and to think they have someone manually checking every site in the Top 10 is ridiculous. I OWN niches where I make it VERY OBVIOUS I am the ultimate owner of every single website in the Top 10. If there were some magical Google god sitting there with their thumb on the button that say "You SHALL NOT PASS!", how would that even be possible?

    Although I will say that masking the fact that you're blatantly an affiliate is probably a smart decision.

    You built less than 200 links to your site, didn't make any money and sold it to someone who actually did have the secret to SEO, and is now justly getting paid for his expertise. There are plenty of tools and more importantly knowledge here that will help you more than your idle conjectures.

    M
     
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  8. tony23

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    Why would Google manually look for your affiliate links when they can easily see them with their algo.?
     
  9. Turbochargeman

    Turbochargeman Registered Member

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    There is no secret here. It's common knowledge as Google themselves tell you time and time again that they look for quality, original content that is relevant to the user and also to avoid building "thin" affiliate sites. However saying that, Google are known for suggesting one thing and rewarding the opposite in the SERPs.

    At the end of the day, all things being equal, meaning that your content and on-page SEO is good, it comes down to the number and quality of your backlinks.
     
  10. wickedworker

    wickedworker BANNED BANNED

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    Im not much into SEO but this is no secret for me. I mean I already knew this and how come it goes secret when you get it on experience?
     
  11. Bross

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    That's the secret of "WhiteHat SEO" :)
     
  12. gorang

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    Sorry i'll explain myself properly.

    The rule for anchor text is that you vary your anchor text while still keeping it relevant to the the content.

    For example, Scrapebox has a huge list of names which you can use to blog comment with. Most of these will be the anchor text for your website. Having this many names in your anchor text is unnatural. While you won't be deindexed, Google will take this unnatural variety of links into account when valuing your website. They use a "link graph". A normal website should show a consistent amount of links. What they look for is spikes in the graph, if those spikes show the same anchor text it is a good signal for them to recheck your trustscore.

    I'm not saying your website is going to hell if you do this, but you may just find that you hit that "invisible wall" one day and wonder why you can't get past position 15 in Google no matter what you do.

    Nope not kidding about manual checks, Google checks sites in the top 10 of search results every now and then. Considering i'm talking about highly competitive niches where you are a new website ranking very highly, then you can expect your website to be manually checked at some point. Also if you have an adsense account you can expect your site to be manually reviewed by Google and assigned an according trustscore. You do realise Google hires people for this job right? Google is interested in the quality of a site and as I said, they treat search results for keywords differently so your niche might not get much attention.

    You're misreading something here. i built 200 links, hit the top ten and was making lots of money. I decided to sell because I wanted to move to a new home. Where did I say I didn't make money? Mate, they bought the site when it was ALREADY in the top 10 and beating the UKs national heath service website. I own my own SEO company and work with over 200 florists as well as an outsource for web design agencies so don't tell me that the guy I sold it to had the expertise. I did it all myself. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

    Judging by your reply it is obvious you have "tools" and "knowledge" to reach the top ten for highly competitive keywords without many links so i'd like to hear your input. Why don't you show us?
     
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    Saw somewhere on flippa a site which was blatantly an affiliate hard sell page on 'how to determine the sex of your child during pregnancy'. Apparently was making some $18K a month. Yes its an aged domain but that thing had a gazillion backlinks from forums which had absolutely nothing to do with pregnancy. Just 1 page. Lots of typical hard sell lingo. No volumes of pages of "helpful" advice (that you've gotta buy like the hundreds of suckers every day). 1 page.

    I totally agree with MRomeo 99. I don't believe there is a Big G person or team with a Green button and a Red button sitting in the office playing god to the billions of websites out there. Its all in the algorithm. Can you just imagine? You go through 100 emails a day and 20 websites and your day is GONE. Even if Big G hired 10,000 people its impossible to vet everything.
     
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    4 sure there isn't or none of my sites would rank!:D they are almost all thin affiliate sites, for now only certain triggers will pull a manual review and being a crap site aint one of em...
     
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    isn't any off-page seo is blackhat already?
     
  16. gorang

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    There was a pdf document floating round somewhere on the net which is given to the employee as a guide for reviewing sites. I thought it was common knowledge that some sites are manually reviewed? They have to manually review adsense sites at some point too.

    If you read the Google technology patent there is also some stuff in there which reveals that they have a manual review in place.

    I'm pretty sure Google's algo will flag sites for manual review if it meets whatever criteria Google has for a manual review. They will use things like your Google webmaster tools, Google analytics to detect and flag it.

    Google review manually all the time, what do you think happens when someone submits a spam report of a website? Or when they detect anomalies with Google adsense accounts? The site gets flagged for manual review and appropriate action will be taken.
     
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    In a literal sense yes. But Google isn't anti-seo. They know that's how the game works.

    They have some info in their guidelines about SEO. It doesn't say building links is bad. Just spammy links.

    Code:
    http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35291
     
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    MRomeo99 Newbie

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    We can theorize all day about what works and what doesn't or whose whang is bigger. I'm not buying what you're selling, that's all. I think you're wrong, that's my perogative. I still stand by my opinion.

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    Really? Because you said "There are so many fallacies in the OP it's not even worth getting into. I mean you contradict yourself so many times it's hard to figure out what you actually believe."

    It's nice that it is your prerogative and all but you could have tried back it up with something we can believe or at least show us a decent argument as to why i'm wrong.

    At least I have some personal experience and evidence to back up what I say.