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The risk of high PR links in the year 2012

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by deviatus, Mar 1, 2012.

  1. deviatus

    deviatus Power Member

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    A lot of us know about the recent letters G sent out concerning "unnatural backlinks" and also news about private blog networks closing their doors and getting individually hit... some of the people reporting receiving the letter have talked about using blogroll and footer links, and private blog posts.

    G knows these type of links cause the most SERP manipulation, and also that they are the smallest in number compared to the other backlinking methods, so the easiest to detect. And while blog comments and profile links are sometime legitimate, high PR links buying is only for one thing.

    It's harder for them to penalize sites that are getting blasted to (although on new sites, where no competitors even know about it, they do penalize) because negative SEO would be too easy. And high PR links, you have to buy, and G has spoken out against paid backlinks for the longest, and is rolling out stronger detection of them.

    But they aren't targeting all blogroll and other sitewide links. Lots of legitimate and popular sites have those. They appear to be going specifically after the services selling them and scraping the urls in the network.

    There will be a rise in actually private private blog networks, and people making there own. A question still out is whether this applies to blog posts, which stay on the frontpage for only a day or so.
     
  2. thedon23

    thedon23 Elite Member

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    I think if the quality of these networks increase, it will be far more difficult for Google to crack down (and honestly, I think it already is somewhat difficult for them). I mean, if it was as easy as some people say it is (for Google to spot these blog networks), why aren't they getting deindexed in a matter of weeks? There are some providers here on BHW who have had their blog networks up and running without any problems for months. Google is bluffing.

    It is risky using these networks though. But if we wanna win in this game, we gotta take risks. If we play by Google's rules, it will take us years to rank a site for even low to medium competition keywords. :p
     
  3. Sickoes

    Sickoes Registered Member

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    Hm. I managed to rank an auto blog for a low competition site without building backlinks at all. However when you have an auto blog you are constantly posting content. I had mine set to post 4 times a week. Posting only videos of related content.
     
  4. Taktical

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    We also have to consider the G spies who hang around forums like this and probably buy services in order to have the blog network owners simply hand them the URLs of their pages.

    network owners should be careful about who they sell to...not that theres much they can do
     
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    assphuck Senior Member

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    It's easy for Google to spot networks. All they have to do is subscribe and blast links to their own test site. Whether reports are given for backlinks or not does not matter. It's Google, they do crawl the web. It would be easy for them to identify any new links to any domain they want, including one they use for anti-spam efforts or a site which they have flagged for spam.

    Google has a tendency to look for algorithmic solutions to every problem they encounter and rightfully so. Buying blogroll links and blog posts are truthfully small time stuff in their eyes. The big players are out building complete websites and manipulating the search results for keywords that bring in huge traffic. Policing the SERPS is not possible by humans alone, and they will continue their focus on algorithmic solutions which are fine tuned from spam reports and their own internal analysis.

    Keep in mind that each time Google devalues a certain type of link, such as forum profiles, articles, etc., that makes other links more powerful. This is why diversification is so important. Blog networks are great, but they should be used in such a way that they help to compliment other link building efforts.
     
  6. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    "Unnatural backlinks".

    My theory is a little different... use a variety of anchor texts... have a bunch of backlinks that are "naked" http://yoursite.com with no anchor text... use generic anchor text "click here", "take a look here" etc...

    Those that are not random and chaotic will fail... those that are chaotic and random will not.
     
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    Agreed!
     
  8. deviatus

    deviatus Power Member

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    Are you saying that's what you think unnatural backlinks refers to? Or just that that's how to get around a link being labeled unnatural by G?

    Non-diverse anchor texts I think are just a symptom of an unnatural link, and G might use that to reign in on what they call unnatural backlinks... but now they are looking at where the link is placed specifically.

    Using diverse anchors has been a BH Best Practices for a while now, so I don't think what we're seeing is about anchors.
     
  9. marishal

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    So if I understood correctly the private blog networks send links externally to paying subscribers? Are the blog owners involved as well or is it only managed by the blog network owner?
     
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    The unfortunate part is, when I analyze the top ranked sites in a few niches since Sunday, they don't have this....
     
  11. omida86

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    I think that if the quality of the network is high, and they don't accept just anybody..they will be fine.

    The issue is that blog owners get greedy and then they fall.
     
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    where's to sell domain have high PR ?
     
  13. Risaharada

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    You could try to let your unnatural link looks like a natural link, hide yourself in a flock of sheep.
     
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    google only need to spend like 10k to learn those blog networks. they just need to buy services here :)

    that is why i am not planning to buy anything. try to gather your backlinks yourself.
     
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    Whoever makes a backlink service that trumps this google penalty is going to get fucking rich
     
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    I agree with this. That's what I've done with my sites and none of them were hit by this update.
     
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    Only a few of my site were really affected by this update, they all had similar promotion strategy so I'm baffled. Perhaps this means the sites being penalized is not just for 1 thing but a combination of 2 or more factors.

    I can say that the site penalized... had bad incoming anchor text variation (80% exact) only until about a week ago. The keywords just weren't that easy to vary up for that niche.

    The penalty was only 5-10 positions for most keywords, but it was enough to cut my traffic by almost 50% because all the keywords were rank 6-10 and now on page 2
     
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    The biggest problem with private blog networks is that they act as a generic blog not specializing in any one topic which unless it's a personal blog doesn't really make sense. I think an easy way around would be to make blog networks where each blog within the network is niche specific.
     
  19. MagicMike

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    I'm not sure that checking the current top sites in a niche is a valid way of determining what works today. They may have been in that position for a very long time. I have many sites that are #1 in Google and have been for a couple of years. Back when they initially ranked I blasted those things with 10's of thousands of links and NEVER varied the anchor text... ever!!!

    If I did that now, I'm pretty sure I would be pounded by Google. It appears to me that there is some "grandfathering" type of thing going on... or they are simply not punishing some of these very old "reputable" sites. Not sure what's happening exactly, but, if you were looking at some of my older sites that are #1 you would think that the best way to rank is only by blasting thousands of crap scrapebox links with the exact same anchor text.
     
  20. thetroglodyte

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    This is by far the most random feeling act of Google I have ever seen. Very few people are probably throwing in anywhere close to enough Garbage anchor text, i.e. click here. I know I didn't and I got a site hit by Google for the first time ever.

    I only pick up high quality links for the most part and the majority of my backlinks that requires written content, I have my own spinners do and it's 100% readible and very well spun.

    I have picked up a lot of private blog posts lately though and I also got the letter. I've never bought a blogroll or homepage link and I've always taken the approach that quality content protects and have never scrapped or computer spun articles. So I'm thinking that having too much non-garbage anchor text sitting on the homepage of a high pr blog (even if it's just in a post) is one of the triggers for this.

    Two things keep coming up over and over though.

    1. High PR Backlinks

    2. Not enough anchor diversity with garbage anchors.

    Everyone is saying that it would be super easy to blast a competitors site but perhaps this is no so either if the Anchors are part of the trigger.

    Perhaps there is a time factor built in. In other words 3 months, 6 months of continual unnatural anchor text.

    Nobody is going to run a 6 month campaign of HIGH PR backlinks with unnatural anchor text against a competitor. It wouldn't even hurt their competitor if they were running campaigns with proper backlink diveristy.

    Just some random thoughts anyway.