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The results of my 301 redirect experiment from 3 months ago

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by turdface, Apr 10, 2014.

  1. turdface

    turdface Supreme Member

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    ABout a couple years ago I had a domain that had been number 1 and 2 for the last 3 years basically drop from the top of Google down to spot 500. I made a long thread about it here, but basically everything I tried did NOT have any positive effect on the rankings. The site was an EMD with hyphens, and I believe I got an EMD penalty as well as an overoptimization penalty. The over-optimization was partially from automated sites that spun EZA articles and other sites I had created and posted them on their own sites. I had no control over them and obviously did not want them, but since they were just bot sites anyway I couldn't get the links removed.

    So after trying a lot of stuff, I basically said screw it and let the site just sit there doing nothing.

    THen I read a thread about 301s.

    I decided I would try to make a new domain and 301 the old one to the new one. Some people said that would owrk, other people said it wouldn't.

    The new site was an exact copy of the old site. I took all the content off the old site and just put a message on it that said the site had moved.

    After a few weeks of letting the new site sit, my keywords were at 121, 0 and 37.

    IN January I 301'ed my old site to the new site. Here are the results since then:

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    jimmylegs Senior Member

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    That's some good stuff my man!
     
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    So the old site didn't pass a penalty (SEO noob here)
     
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    Great skills applied to the new site! You are definitely going to get some profit from the new site.
     
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    howard_hughes Elite Member

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    Good Case Study, Kudos on the share!
     
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    Great.

    Please keep us updated for the next few weeks, interesting to know whether it's temporary or permanent.
     
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    301 does pass penalties, but I'm not sure that an over-optimization penalty would be something that would stay with the domain 'forever'... it's more logical that it would be dependent on the content that's on the domain.

    That said, however, if your rankings drop suddenly in the coming months, that will be the penalty flowing through. But my money, in this case, is on no penalty flowing, because of the type that it (probably) was.
     
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    If it was over optimize, could you not just dilute the incoming anchors? Noob asking here.
     
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    I am a PPD and Youtube Marketer. Youtube is almost ended for us as its not generating traffic at all. I would like to know if I buy expired domains and then 301 redirect them to my sites. It will help me boost the SERP?

    Yeah. I want to make SEO as my traffic source now instead of Youtube.

    Thanks
     
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    Xpand Regular Member

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    Great stuff man, looks like the penalty was not passed so far, really interested what will happen in the next month or two.
     
  12. seooes

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    Looking good so far. Please keep us updated.
     
  13. turdface

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    That was my thought. Here is a list of everything I tried to do to the old site, but none of it worked:

    - Remove ads from above the fold
    - Reduce keyword density from 4% to 1-2%
    - Add new content to get the total up to around 30 pages
    - Add more content to some of the pages that were kind of not very informative

    Then after that, I tried making the following changes to the backlinks that I controlled:

    - Changing the EzineArticle links from exact keyword matches to non keywords
    - Removing all the web20 links I Had created

    But there were still a lot of links coming from shady sties that I had no ocontrol over. Most of these sites were made by taking articles from Ezinearticles and spinning them and keeping the links in place. I had nothing to do with that and it was done permanently by people who were trying to make their own big article sites.

    I went into Webmaster and disavowed all of those links.

    There were no changes to the rank of my original site, so that's when I made the new one.
     
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    Great stuff! Thanks for sharing this with everyone OP
     
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    This is interesting! I am kind of in the same boats with one domain. I have a few questions. I am still deciding on what to do!

    - Did you bought a non emd domain for the new site?
    - Did you change content when you put it on the new site or change structure?

    I was thinking about changing away from emd. I now have. a website about green tulips and the domain is www.green tulips.com

    But I want to expand a little and expand to all sort of tulips in all possible colors. But register a domain like www.tulip fan.com or Ilovetulips.com

    Dollarzz
     
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    Yes, reducing the density doesn't work at all.

    I always use th 301 trick. If penalty passes, you can do 301 again, from both old sites.

    Also you can use 301 pumping to increase the power, spam to domain A, redirect to domain B for some time, them remove redirect, maybe wait few days and then redirect B to money site. And be aware that this could still pass the penalty.
     
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    hey op how is it looking now? Could you maybe have a look at my previous question :)?

    Thanks
     
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    Good thread, I am glad this worked for you!
     
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    Google is very spam friendly right now, so I'm not surprised by your results. I'm seeing 301s work like magic across every niche. Furthermore, I'm seeing mass xrumer spam back with a vengeance with lots of guestbook and other types of spam. Also seeing a whole lot of bookmark spam again and powering them with shitty public blog networks.

    I honestly think Google's given up on spam for now
     
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    Me, "Okay time to get some good spam sites going." Next week, Google update.