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The reason most social signal providers are garbage and a waste of money

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by macdonjo3, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. macdonjo3

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    A 10 day drip just isn't natural. You can't spike your signals another 500 and then just let them stop growing for the rest of the year.

    There are a ton of providers but no one seems to offer what the market actually needs. I think the buyer retention rate in this market is very low, as no one ever finds what they are looking for.

    If someone could offer the smallest amount of daily dripped social signals, say 2 tweets, 1 G+1, 2 Facebook likes/shares, every day, for 180 days for $100, I'd be in and I'm sure a lot of other people would be too.

    All the providers are in this game of "I offer higher quantity for a lower cost" except a high quantity isn't always what your white hat high-budget clients need. They just need to take their signals from 5, and surpass their competitors with 100, at a natural and steady pace.

    They need social signals from profiles with real friends/followers, display pictures, age, authority, activity, etc.

    From the hundreds of providers out there, can anyone find 1 that fits these requirements?

    Another option that needs to come around is geo-targeted signals. For example, if I have a client in NYC, I need shares in NYC. I need it to be as white hat as possible, and my clients have the budget to pay 5x the normal rate of social signals, for high quality geo-targeted signals.

    It's a weekly occurrence for people to message me, asking for a good provider and I just don't know what to tell them.

    The providers need to adapt to the market and use a bit of creativity. They're leaving too much money on the table and no one is snatching it up.

    I hope my thoughts have inspired some providers to grow their business. The social signal space is so crowded but so many of the vendors use the same suppliers, and apply very little innovation to their business. There is huge potential for a new provider to come into the space and steal a lot of business.

    Until next time. /rant

    PS: I should note, there are a very small amount of companies doing this, and I know they are making the real money in this market.
     
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  2. Innceptionist

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    Valid point. It's quite unnatural getting thousands of social signals in 1 day and then near to zero in the rest of 364 days, as you mentioned. I've personally never seen any seller offering consistent signals, but had it been there someone, I would surely order for my site.
     
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    And this is why I use social jackers (sheezboy or someone is offering plenty of plugins for that). I get steady amount of social shares on my websites and it looks natural. I'm my own social signals provider.
     
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    Damn I thought I was the only one thinking about this problem, I'd love to find a service for this and would be more than happy to pay 100 bucks for some social signals for over a time period of 180 days.

    EDIT: Just looked at what the site has to offer that you linked, I quite like it, the price isn't too bad $47 for the smallest package. OP have you done any business with them? Would love to know how it worked out, also how important would social signals of this amount lets say 300 x 12 be compared to just PBN's, web2.0's?
     
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    Yes great point I would be down with service like this.
     
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    Locality makes sense too, I have said this before.
    If you're marketing a Lawyer in New York or a dentist in London, ideally the majority of the interest would / should come from people in that area, so hundreds of Google + and Facebook likes from Australia, France , India etc just wouldn't seem to be natural, unless the company has offices in these countries.
    The flip side of this that doesn't really matter is a sports team or singer who has worldwide fans and appeal.
     
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    I think $100 for 180 days is way too cheap, it would be a headache for seller.
     
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    I just read this again and this stands out:

    Then, why not use ads? Twitter tweets and Facebook ads? Can't go anymore white hat then that. As your clients have the budget.
     
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    These plugins are a fantastic option, but when someone calls you out on it, it can just tear apart your reputation.
     
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    It should be an automated system so there's no headache at all. It doesn't talk a rocket science to plan a full automated system.
     
  11. Lamuks

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    It's kind of common sense when you think about it. I always look at the services and am like'' but what after when it ends...''.
     
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    The sellers don't think of this. 90% of the vendors in the marketplace are garbage.
     
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    Dont think you would get an automated system to run 100% for 180 days, it would still require maintenance, if you have 1 customer then maybe. But If you have many, one day the system goes down , you will be bombarded with complaints.

     
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    I automate this using tweetdeck (with about 100-120 accounts) and hootsuite for FB, for G+ its a little more difficult unless they are pages and not profils
     
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    I could code this, it's not overly difficult.
     
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    i'm not sure how this is an arguing point

    a system which provides signals faster and more at once, can go down just as easily and frequently as a service which would provide the signals throughout a longer period of time and less at once and it can't be down for that long, that your customers could lose much if it's only 1-2 signals per type what they're getting daily with it, opposed to a service which is faster and provide hundreds of signals in a day, a longer downtime could make a bigger, much more noticeable impact there
     
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    Maintaining hundreds to thousands of accounts over 5 different social networks gets quite difficult, especially 'high quality' ones with real friends / posting regularly updated content and having highly optimized profiles, doing this for 1 or 2 networks is one thing, doing it for 3+ is another. Throw extras like 'geo-targetting' into the mix, then it gets real crazy as you now need to build location-specific accounts tailored to a clients specific needs, you can't just conjure this from thin air -- shit takes time and effort. Couple that with long-term campaigns and you just set yourself up for a long-term customer support headache; the contract would have to be sizable in order to justify this level of support. Simply not enough hours in the day. That is unless you have VA's to handle that, but ive *NEVER* received what i'd call good support from a VA, it just doesn't happen. I need to get directly in touch with the owner.


    Getting your accounts banned also presents real issues (as social media is constantly evolving, networks changing their rules, etc) this all gets magnified when you're talking about long term campaigns. Account bans are rather trivial these days, and i think that's the biggest issue for this type of service.

    The reason there's a scant amount of QUALITY providers in this space is that it's no cake walk! also, alot of customers #1 priority is simply huge numbers, which as we're finding out isn't the end all be all. Now if somebody capable actually had a large amount of educated buyers lined up waiting for a high quality service, then that person might be compelled to give it a shot. However right now its mostly third world fly-by-night providers all copying the same formula and undercutting one another in a race towards the bottom.
     
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  18. macdonjo3

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    Absolutely, geo-filters would be a massive headache.
     
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    First, I've used that service you mentioned in your link for precisely the reasons you bring-up in your post - natural social signals. However, I'll never use it again. Customer support and user-interface was horrendous and never got what I actually paid for. Plus, I think they were circulating/promoting porn and other questionable niche's in their social media profiles. It's from those 'Crork' guys ('Alman' I think his name is), so I probably should have known better.

    I (sort of) disagree with you when you say "A 10 day drip just isn't natural. You can't spike your signals another 500 and then just let them stop growing for the rest of the year". Social signals are dynamical. A piece of content that goes viral before dissipating would be reflected in social media activity/popularity. However, that still doesn't make me feel much better about plonking down $20 for some social signals from expressfans yesterday. Sigh.
     
  20. pasdoy

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    I see the struggle here. Social media is not my cup of tea at all. I raised an eyebrow at " isn't always what your white hat high-budget clients need." Too many people fake sustainable growth now a day :(