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The Price Inflation of PBN Sites - How Google is Making Backorder Providers Millions

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Expertpeon, Jul 27, 2014.

  1. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    I've built out something like 700 sites with PA/DA over 40 (on both) and CF/TF over 20 accumulated over the last 2.5 years. Within the last 6 months, it's become more and more difficult to get them for close to the registration prices. In fact, regardless of the quality of the domain, it's quite common to see sites with mediocre link profiles, but PAs over 50 going for $400-500 each (not even going to get into how stupid this is from an ROI perspective). Clean link profiles often going into the thousands. I conservatively estimate that my network, which cost less than $4000 to build, is now worth into the $100,000+ range.

    Where's the end game in this gold rush?
     
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  2. DatMoney

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    You are right but there are still a lot of gems at cheap prices. Yesterday, it took me 2 hours to find 4 domains at closeout auctions.

    PR 2+
    Age: 12+ years

    These domains had clean profiles. :) I don't rely on DA/ PA and even CF/TF anymore. What I look for is the quality of backlinks a domain has.

    So I think it is all about how smart your approach is on finding the good domains.
     
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  3. Flask

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    Do you use you PBN yourself or sell?
     
  4. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Just for my own purposes.
     
  5. DatMoney

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    I guess google will devalue the backlinks more and more resulting in negative ROI. [of buying expired domains]
     
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    vamos rafa Registered Member

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    700 sites in PBN, thats mind boggling, how do you manage hostings, how many hosts u use?
     
  7. Expertpeon

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    The ROI already has to be severely negative at these prices. These sites are not that valuable. You'd need dozens to rank for anything semi-competitive.

    700 different hosts actually. I use an automated script I made to check them 4 times per day.
     
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  8. vamos rafa

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    Thats hard to believe unless you spend day and night fixing nameservers changes and fixing hacked sites. I had a nightmare managing 60 hosts, the number of times those small hosts run away, change NS, get hacked. There is no way 1 person can manage all this.
     
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    Do you target more than 1 money site from each pbn ?


    DO you use any other links to rank your money sites for diversity ? If so What ?

    As you have such a large network, How many sites on average ( very average) does it take to rank an easy keyword , a medium and a competitive keyword ?
     
  10. Expertpeon

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    You can if you're good at keeping your sites from getting hacked. I haven't had a hacked site in months believe it or not. Yeah, small hosts do take dives, but it's also not that common. I lose maybe 1 a week on average. Nameserver changes do happen, but I use child NSs for all so it's just an automated IP update which takes 5-10 minutes/day.
     
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    Sweet Jebus, 700 sites!!!?
    How many money sites you got? Or are you selling links on your PBN?
     
  12. Expertpeon

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    No reason to sell space on them, I have around 20 money sites at present. Thread is getting kind of off topic though.
     
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    The end game is simple - the game changes from a ranking play to a monetization play.

    If you can earn $500/mth from a top 3 ranking in any given niche, but someone else can earn $3k/mth from the same ranking, you'll get pushed out because you're not getting a return while they're killing it.
     
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  14. jxiong2012

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    it's simple supply and demand. More and more people are getting into IM and online businesses so the customers for this type of good has increased. Also, no one will pay for something unless it brings them revenue, just be happy you got in the game early and now have good gains on your PBN
     
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    Thats google's point! Make seo as expensive, time consuming and difficult as possible, so ppl move to adwords
     
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  16. ranga

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    I share your pain OP, I have around 200 domains network and its getting exceeding difficult to get good domains at reasonable prices, anything that has PR attached is going off the roof and getting other domains require lots of due diligence
     
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  17. Expertpeon

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    I find this to be relatively simplistic. People who are fighting for niche spots may not even be doing this. Let's say it costs you $15-30 in time (or money) to get a guestpost at a site that's in this authority range (given the quality of these domains, I think that's reasonable). Why would you spend $500-1000 for the same domain, knowing that its value will ultimately drop off into the future?

    The only thing I can think is that people have no idea how to do cost effective SEO.
     
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  18. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    A lot of people are ruining a lot of good domains lol
    So many people, who don't know what they are doing, are jumping on the PBN bandwagon.
    When people start to lose money and the Fad dies down then prices should settle a little.
    Best bet, BUY NEW DOMAINS, age them slowly and in 5 years you will have a mega PBN (j/k)
     
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  19. Expertpeon

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    Well the crazy thing is that these domains are dropped, so they're not "aged" at all in that way. Seems like a smart person could just buy fresh domains, blast them heavily with good GSA lists and then sell them to these fools. That's the domain profile they're typically buying (for $500 no less).
     
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    I think that is already happening.
    I have seen some stupid domains that seem way over priced (I am not a Domain expert) but people seem to buy them.
    All the metrics and stats that people look at can be faked/manipulated and sometimes it is very obvious that they are.
    People don't even seem to be doing basic due diligence.
    People end up being foolish and people take advantage of them.