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Giuni said:
My review for this service:
In short - I have canceled the subscription. Not gonna continue with this service.
Detailed - The problem is that the OP has over hyped the description of his service + lied about metrics. The promised metrics and what I've received are so far apart. He doesn't provide any report but he forgot to fully customize his sites and I've got a Pingback to my site, so I took a look at the domain hosting my link.
Metrics - He promised, and I quote from his post, "TrustFlow from 17 to 45+" and "35 to 2242+ referring domains". What I got from the site I found: TrustFlow = 7 -> http://imgur.com/a/hfzxe | Referring domains = Majestic says 20 and Ahrefs says 30.
Topicality - It was a Brazilian website with content in Portuguese.
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Thanks for your honest review.

Ok, first of all you're accusing me of lying. That's quite a serious accusation and before making it you should really make sure you have at least a basic understanding of how to use tools like majestic.

Here's the domain you're referring to.

http://prntscr.com/ep3o0j

And here's the email showing you choosing that particular one.

http://prntscr.com/ep3plr

http://prntscr.com/ep3q2w

Obviously with no private information screenshot'd there.

Now, it's listed at TF18 and 126 RDs.

http://prntscr.com/ep3sx1

It's actually TF20.

Here's the referring domains.

http://prntscr.com/ep3u7i

82 on majestic.

My count of referring domains is done by exporting the backlinks on majestic and ahrefs, removing duplicates and adding them up, hence the 126. Google sees *all* backlinks, so their count is higher than 126.

You said that majestic states 20 referring domains? Yes, it does if you put in http://www.site.com. Please, in the future learn how to use majestic before making dangerous accusations about someone's business. http://www.site.com is the number of domains pointing to JUST www.site.com. It doesn't include www.site.com/page, or even site.com/

Majestic has 4 types of checks

site.com
www.site.com
http://site.com
http://www.site.com

The domain was a high quality Brazilian magazine. Your content is English.

Now. As for your order. Your posts will be live until the end of your billing period, at which point they'll be removed as per the agreement. You are also now blacklisted from my network.


Thanks,
Tom
 
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Pinktoe said:
I'm not OP, but in regards to TF, is this on the root domain or URL?

The RD is similar to his lower ones he has states, that's not a concern

With Topicality, do you mean it used to be a BR site? Or does it have Portugeese content right now? If the former, then that shouldn't matter much, I've tested former foreign pbns and they are still very effective, and when building a network this large, having topically relevant links to the domains is going to be next to impossible

I have a hard time believing OP is providing a BS service considering his reputation & the fact it would be really stupid to provide low-quality on a monthly subscription model. He's not going to make any money if people cancel after the first month, he'd be losing money. He would be far better off selling one-off posts like the other services.
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Yep, he's made some errors in how he's using majestic. I've detailed it above.

But, yep, you're right about the monthly model. I actually made a loss on his order. :) The content and setup costs are more than I make in month 1.
 
@splishsplash - ok, so I get a link from http://www.site.com and I should check for the metrics for http://site.com?!

Ex: Pinktoe is asking me about root domain TF. This means that he should also revise his requirements if his gonna buy from you, right? Or you just pick whatever version you like out of the 4 models you listed ?

Me personally, I check the stats for the version that is alive and from which I get a link. But maybe I've worked in this industry for so many years and did it all wrong. Not a problem, I will take the L for this one and let other people benefit and get crazy rankings from your service.
 
Giuni said:
@splishsplash - ok, so I get a link from http://www.site.com and I should check for the metrics for http://site.com?!

Ex: Pinktoe is asking me about root domain TF. This means that he should also revise his requirements if his gonna buy from you, right? Or you just pick whatever version you like out of the 4 models you listed ?

Me personally, I check the stats for the version that is alive and from which I get a link. But maybe I've worked in this industry for so many years and did it all wrong. Not a problem, I will take the L for this one and let other people benefit and get crazy rankings from your service.
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I'm not sure what else to say to you. I don't want to spend all day arguing with you over the semantics of majestic.

TF is always taken from the highest of the 4 versions on majestic. Period. There's not a single person who deals with selling domains or posts that would do otherwise.

Now, please, no more on my thread. I have a business to run. If you feel the matter hasn't been taken care of then approach a mod to be an independent arbiter and I'll be happy to disclose everything to them. IKnowSEO can see any domain in my network at any point to confirm /reconfirm the metrics if need be.
 
Also, further to this entire discussion I would like to add some extra comments for anyone that's read this.

Metrics like TrustFlow are a Majestic thing, and even within Majestic they can fluctuate wildly. The fact that you get such different results for all 4 versions of a site shows just how sketchy it is.

This is why you'll get sites with high TF that are near useless. 1 single TF link of 40 will pump a site up to 20+, but is that really useful for us? Of course not. We want a blog network site with dozens of links from TF10+ pages, not just 1 high TF link.

Now, every single domain in my inventory is from auction and has been bid on aggressively by other marketers. There's not a single domain that was publicly available to register. The junk that is typically used for PBNs are the left-overs that no one wants at auction.

What this means is that every domain that I bid on and aim to get at auction has GOOD backlinks. I do not buy based on TF. This is why, if you're a client, you'll have noticed that sometimes there's a TF25 domain for $3/mo, and there's another that's only TF18 for $12/mo. This is because I am NOT selling based on metrics. I am selling based on the power of the domain. The more expensive it is the better the backlinks.

Everything has good, real backlinks. Contextual, relevant. These are a different sort of breed than what most sell on here where you just have a bunch of directory/forum links with 1 or 2 high TF links pumping the PBN site up to 15 TF etc.

When you get posts on the wolf network, you are connecting your site to the trusted/real side of the web. These are direct connections into GOOD NEIGHBORHOODS.

With that in mind, I'm no longer going to be taking orders from those who want to "test the waters". The problem with this kind of mindset is that they are expecting fast, guaranteed results, and what happened above is a prime example of what can go wrong with this mindset. Client pays $20, then 2 weeks later starts an investigation into the network and comes on with a bad review declaring that it's all a lie.

I'm sorry things haven't worked out for you, Giuni, but the way you've approached this wasn't ideal. If you had contacted me with your concerns I would have put aside an hour of my day to take you through things and you would have continued as a client. This isn't an SEO service where I'm guaranteeing any sort of results and the very notion of testing it out to see if you get quick results is dangerous. There are just so many variable factors in SEO. Sites can dance around for 6 weeks before seeing a rise. Other sites will shoot up after 10 days. Others will take 2-3 months to see a boost.

For example, if I sell someone who wants to run a cafe some real estate and their business fails to make profit, then that has nothing to do with my product. That same space could be a massive success, or a huge failure. As I've said before, I'm offering you the ability to rent an amazing tuned super car, but that won't guarantee you win the race.
 
splishsplash said:
Also, further to this entire discussion I would like to add some extra comments for anyone that's read this.

Metrics like TrustFlow are a Majestic thing, and even within Majestic they can fluctuate wildly. The fact that you get such different results for all 4 versions of a site shows just how sketchy it is.

This is why you'll get sites with high TF that are near useless. 1 single TF link of 40 will pump a site up to 20+, but is that really useful for us? Of course not. We want a blog network site with dozens of links from TF10+ pages, not just 1 high TF link.

Now, every single domain in my inventory is from auction and has been bid on aggressively by other marketers. There's not a single domain that was publicly available to register. The junk that is typically used for PBNs are the left-overs that no one wants at auction.

What this means is that every domain that I bid on and aim to get at auction has GOOD backlinks. I do not buy based on TF. This is why, if you're a client, you'll have noticed that sometimes there's a TF25 domain for $3/mo, and there's another that's only TF18 for $12/mo. This is because I am NOT selling based on metrics. I am selling based on the power of the domain. The more expensive it is the better the backlinks.

Everything has good, real backlinks. Contextual, relevant. These are a different sort of breed than what most sell on here where you just have a bunch of directory/forum links with 1 or 2 high TF links pumping the PBN site up to 15 TF etc.

When you get posts on the wolf network, you are connecting your site to the trusted/real side of the web. These are direct connections into GOOD NEIGHBORHOODS.

With that in mind, I'm no longer going to be taking orders from those who want to "test the waters". The problem with this kind of mindset is that they are expecting fast, guaranteed results, and what happened above is a prime example of what can go wrong with this mindset. Client pays $20, then 2 weeks later starts an investigation into the network and comes on with a bad review declaring that it's all a lie.

I'm sorry things haven't worked out for you, Giuni, but the way you've approached this wasn't ideal. If you had contacted me with your concerns I would have put aside an hour of my day to take you through things and you would have continued as a client. This isn't an SEO service where I'm guaranteeing any sort of results and the very notion of testing it out to see if you get quick results is dangerous. There are just so many variable factors in SEO. Sites can dance around for 6 weeks before seeing a rise. Other sites will shoot up after 10 days. Others will take 2-3 months to see a boost.

For example, if I sell someone who wants to run a cafe some real estate and their business fails to make profit, then that has nothing to do with my product. That same space could be a massive success, or a huge failure. As I've said before, I'm offering you the ability to rent an amazing tuned super car, but that won't guarantee you win the race.
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1. There's so much contradiction between what you said now and your sales page...stop digging your own grave.
2.
If you had contacted me with your concerns I would have put aside an hour of my day to take you through things and you would have continued as a client.
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- Please don't give me free SEO lessons, I'm good. Better put it in an ebook and sell it!
3. The fact that you found a marketing loophole with the TF, doesn't make it right or true.
4. I know you said earlier to post no more in your thread but you addressed me in the penultimate paragraph so my reply is justified.

I think I've said what I wanted to say, people can do their own research and validate your or my statements. I promise you that this is the last time I will post here. Good luck with your service in the future.
 
Giuni said:
1. There's so much contradiction between what you said now and your sales page...stop digging your own grave.
2. - Please don't give me free SEO lessons, I'm good. Better put it in an ebook and sell it!
3. The fact that you found a marketing loophole with the TF, doesn't make it right or true.
4. I know you said earlier to post no more in your thread but you addressed me in the penultimate paragraph so my reply is justified.

I think I've said what I wanted to say, people can do their own research and validate your or my statements. I promise you that this is the last time I will post here. Good luck with your service in the future.
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Sure, you're entitled to your opinion and that's fine. Sorry my service didn't work out for you and I do wish you the best of luck with your ventures. No hard feelings.
 
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Just curious why DOB is mandatory or required anyway.

Cheers
 
issorc said:
Possible to use foreign sites?
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As long as the site is in English it's fine. If it's in a different language then you would need a PBN with content in that language.

XxUnivaxX said:
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Just curious why DOB is mandatory or required anyway.

Cheers
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I ask for country and age to help paint a picture of the potential client. In real life I would be able to see people, here I can't, so I like to have a general understanding of who I'm talking to. Different cultures and ages are very different. Dealing with an 18 year old American is very different from dealing with a 40 year old Japanese man for example. I adjust my language accordingly. It isn't about any sort of pre-judgement. One of my clients is 15. I don't judge anyone by their age, culture, sex or race. I just recognize that there are appropriate behaviors when dealing with different groups. There are good and bad clients from every background, so I judge people based on how they talk to me and how they treat me.

I hope this explains it, however, if someone really would prefer not to disclose their DoB then I'm happy for you to put in whatever you like, but I appreciate transparency, as I myself am completely transparent. My full name and photo are shared here.


Cheers,
Tom
 
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