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The Mother of all Questions.....

Discussion in 'Link Building' started by justin71, May 27, 2010.

  1. justin71

    justin71 Junior Member

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    Here it is, the one thing I have always wanted to know relating to backlinks.

    These angelas style backlinks obviously work, as it does for her and Ive checked her ranks. But, is it fine to just build links wherever you can find them? For example, there are always plenty of posts in the downloads here at BHW that have backlink packets of verious descriptions.

    I am always hesitant and never take action on them because Ive read they get spammed and useless, but there must be some value in them yeh?

    SO is it cool to just make a list of all these and put them all together and build links with them? I mean the typical reply to those backlinks in the DL section is "this will be useless once all the spammers see it", but surely its not as clear cut as that. As I know Angelas packets are passed around other sites, (not BHW for some reason) but hers I dont hear are useless as they would be spammed when they got into wrong hands.

    And the follow up question is, would it be still usefull to use her previous packets from 6 months ago or whatever to add to your link building campaigns?

    My hunch is that the more links the better and use them all, in staggered motion.

    thanks very much, this site is so huge Ive never even ventured into sub forums like this one :confused:
     
  2. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    The more you have, the better. Google cannot penalize for off-site SEO due to the possibility of sabotage. Go nuts. Besides, profile links are quite weak so you'll need a lot of them.
     
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    I somewhat disagree. I have noticed this with newer sites. If you build tons of backlinks quickly they will drop you in the serps or maybe ban you. You can build quite a bit if links as long as you keep working at it. Dont build tons of links in one day then no more for the next month. Do it consistently.
     
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    Very good advice from one of people I respect the most on this forum.

    This guy knows what he is talking about Justin.
     
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    Agreeing or disagreeing with this statement is a moot point. The OP did not ask about the number of backlinks built in any time frame. Only about the source of the backlinks and if they are worth it.
    The OP did mention using backlinks in a "staggered motion" which tells me that they have some insight about link building and the speed at which they should do so.
    Micallef only gave his opinion on the quality of the backlinks.
     
  6. psychoul

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    I second that!
     
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  7. madblacker

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    I agree that having more backlinks from un-relevant websites probably won't hurt you but I think its dubious at best whether this will help you, if you're just taking a list from here thats fine because it won't waste any time / money, but, for example, if you paid someone to just go through and find random websites to post to this probably isn't going to help you since, from what I have read, the search engines have become very keen on finding relationships between sites' content so the links that really help are the ones that are from sites with similar content that have a high PR, just accumulating random links probably won't do much, at least in my experience
     
  8. justin71

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    Angelas proves that they are powerful though, her sites are number one and as are many of her customers, hence the profile link she gives must be good for your site.
    Thanks for the replies guys. I guess the main thing I was getting at is all the new backlinks that appear on BHW and because there can be spammers on here those profiles and sites might not be the best, but I do agree with the more the merrier approach, so I will continue building a huge list of sites and perhaps put one or two link in each profile I create before adding a different profile rego.

    Regarding the staggered approach, whilst I will do that, I have also read that sometimes this is a myth, for example when a highly viral article or site suddenly gets hundreds of people linking to it overnight (news sites etc. social media), it never destroys the page rank of the page, so makes me think that people are probably too conservative with how fast they build the links....opinions?
     
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  9. GreyWolf

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    @OP - The cool thing about the Angelas lists is they're always being updated. That helps a lot to keep the saturation level down. As long as the sites are still up then they should still be fine even using a 6mos old list. In fact a lot of people might have moved on to newer lists so those old sites might not be getting used so much anymore. The pr values might have changed in that time though, but as micallef said the most important thing is for your backlinking campaign to be fairly continuous.

    @manudevil20 - You're right that it's not good for a new site to immediately start blasting out thousands of backlinks. The more the better, but it's also natural for it to grow larger over time. It wouldn't be natural for a new site with 0 backlinks to all of the sudden be getting thousands of links to it, but it wouldn't be odd for a site that already has hundreds of backlinks to get a thousand. A site with a thousand of backlinks, could naturally get thousands more everyday. That's what happens when a site go viral naturally, everyone keeps linking to them. 1 will grow to 10, 10 will grow to 100, 100 to 1000, then to 10000, 100000, etc. Its an exponential progression, if you have a good strategy then linkbuilding should be fairly continuous and progressively scaled larger over time.

    You're trying to simulate a popular site, so the more that can be done to achieve that simulation the better.
     
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  10. Micallef

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    I've written this elsewhere, but you should have a think about how you treat your profile links. We all know that profile pages start out with no PR and can be tricky to index. A link from a PR n/a page is never going to be much good (until it rises in PR in the future), I am sorry to those who disagree but it's true.

    When I build a profile page, I do the following:

    1) Surround my link with a relevant paragraph of text.

    2) Choose my username as my desired anchor text.

    3) Make genuine comments on the highest PR pages of the profile site. I then get automatic **************** name links with good anchor text from the high PR internal pages.

    4) This boosts up the PR of the profile page. Indexing is accelerated. The power of your link to your own site is also now considerably higher.

    I agree that people are usually unduly worried about the minutiae of link-build speeds. Lately I've been trying to follow a vague graph model, which sees a huge flurry of linking during the "launch" of my new websites, then a slower increase which is gradually maintained. It has proven to be effective.

    I also have evidence that inconsistency in build speeds does not necessarily spell disaster, although I still try to avoid it. I own many high ranking pages that experienced furious linking for 3 months, then nothing for the next 3, then more links after that.

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    Just read greywolf's post. It makes a lot of sense and I am not trying to contradict. I am being honest, however, in the results I have been seeing. A few of my sites really have had utterly erratic backlinking patterns and some of them are still holding great positions. I'm not really sure what to make of this, as it speaks against natural logic regarding the matter.
     
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  11. GreyWolf

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    Erratic linkbuilding isn't a sign of bein unnatural either. If it were really a natural occurance thre would be a random quality to it as well. Continuous doesn't necessarily mean perfectly consistant. Sites grow in spurts, in flows, and in leaps. Maintaining a natural rythm means some inconsistancy should be included as well.

    I don't know? Maybe that just seems like rambling.
    I need to go get some sleep. LOL
     
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    i have seen a client recently who's site was penalised for suspected link exchange!
     
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    Do you always comment on threads that have been dead for two years?
     
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    I would say that the link package that have been posted in the download section is something to stay away from, of course you could find one or two good, but mostley they are spammed to death.

    The best is to make AA lists for your self, in that case they wont get that spammed, stealing backlins from others is also a great way.