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The more pages you have the lower you rank?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by jamie3000, Jan 26, 2017.

  1. jamie3000

    jamie3000 Supreme Member

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    Whats everyone's thoughts on this...

    If you have zero back links on both websites.

    Website A: 50 pages targeting 50 search terms

    Website B: 20,000 webpages targeting 20,000 search terms.

    Both websites are targeting the search term of "extra large green butt plugs". Assuming on page seo is the same. Which would rank higher? Or should they rank the same?

    I believe websites are automatically given some PR even if no back links are present. Would this initial PR be divided amongst the 20,000 pages causing the PR to be concentrated more on the 50 page site, meaning it would rank higher?
     
  2. davids355

    davids355 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I see what you are saying - juice gets divided out so more pages, thinner dividing of the juice.

    So on a new site or a site with only few links to homepage, the smaller site probably would rank better.

    But a bigger site in reality is likely to have more backlinks throughout and thus probably would rank better.
     
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    Well, you will rank for a lot more longtails with site B, since you obviously have more content, aka authority site. But there shouldn't be a difference in the rankings due to there not being any factor that disturbs the rankings, such as duplicate content, assuming everything is unique.
     
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    It's proven that google likes content, more content theorically should be better, not only that but google also likes frequent updates so B also had that extra advantage
     
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    This is really interesting question. I have gave this a thought actually for a while (something similar) and I have following conclusion on this.

    If you have that keyword (it already exists) in search engines. I think site B will win. BUT...

    IMHO it depends mostly on keyword. Now let me explain. If you have a new keyword generated, it's more natural somehow to me that it will grow stronger (I have experience in this with new product related keywords) if you have mini site sort of - couple of pages with really quality content and quality onsite SEO. If it's new keyword from some reason it always ranked better on new sites compared to established sites at least for me and I've built and ranked dozens of such sites.

    Now if you have established site (big site) it will rank everything related to it and long tail keywords (more organic growth) and it will rank better established (know to search engines) keywords.

    So basically this is where content age steps in.

    And so we come to conclusion that (without any back links) it depends mostly when site A is built and when site B is built and targeted your target keyword.
     
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    The one with 20,000 pages. The more pages the better now. You have to make sure it's silo structure. Google sees your relevance higher so you win over small sites.
    Ignore all the PR jargon, it's just there to spin your head.
    All you need to know is the more content that's silo structured, the more you rank.
    Plus the more content you have, the more keywords you rank for as there are keywords out there that nobody has heard of...and one day it'll gain traction and that's when you bank as you are there first.

    Good luck to you.
     
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    deeper site wins
     
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    As both sites have the same page/keyword ratio and assuming the other K/W on the big site have the same relative value (so the ratio stays the same) then would it come down to all the other stuff like content differences, diversity, relevancy and context!
     
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    It's more got to do with more content, more longtail keywords that google will index you in so you will rank for more keywords. If you have 1 page, you can only rank so much. If you have 20,000 pages, that's a lot of keywords!
     
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    Yeah I realised that just after my comment, but got lost in the hypothetical situation of if you presented google it, ie;

    If you took a local bakery with a solid customer base that has excellent customer service and specific detailed knowledge for each of their 50 products.

    And the local supermarket which has the same products but also 19.95k products with generic customer service but more overall customers.

    Remembering that googles core ethos is 'do no evil' if they chose to rank the supermarket higher for those 50 products that could cause the local business to loose profit and eventually close putting people out of a job, community etc, i'd consider that more of an evil than the supermarket loosing a little which it could make up for across the rest of the product range.

    so WWGD what would google do and what should they do is always a matter of perspective I guess.
     
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    We need a scientific research on this topic. Second website with tons of pages will rank better. Google is that stupid.