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The More I Build, The Worse My Rankings

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by FuryFit, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. FuryFit

    FuryFit Regular Member

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    Can you guys help me out? I'm really frustrated right now.

    I have been working on a site for years... it got a penalty in 2010 due to a redesign and errors on the site, url changes etc. And I've been fighting trying to get it back ever since.

    But, since then the more I build links, the WORSE my rankings get. They don't dance, either... They just keep going down, down down....

    When I started trying to recover, one of my big keywords was at #8 instead of #1 where it was pre-redesign. Since I started building, over the past year it's dropped almost every week ~1-10 places until now it's ranking ~250.. :(

    This is across all of my keywords. I try all the link building packages here that have great reviews, and I use generic anchors, non-anchor links, etc... I have quality one way insentence /incontext links from relevant sites. My site offers genuine content and quality.

    I've also noticed that my linkbuilding seems to hurt all my other sites too. They are down 5-50 places on all target keywords this month after I start building links late November. First, they went up, then they went down.

    What should I do? :( My sites rank reallly well in Bing.... like... #5 in bing but #400 in G.
     
  2. Getwhatchuwant

    Getwhatchuwant Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    What kind of linkbuilding are you doing, you say pretty much everything but be more specific. Maybe the link velocity triggered an alarm at big G.

    Something that some members here are saying is helping is building the 1st tier with the same care and quality as your money site.
    So they have been creating web 2.o properties with unique content, images, videos and keywords then backlinking those. While that sounds like a typical link pyramid it really isnt as most services I have seen build a pretty generic 1st tier with default layout, no images etc... pretty easy footprint to spot.

    remember goolge has pretty much told you they like authority sites in relevant niches pointing to your money site. So go out and create some mini authority sites in your niches and see what happens.

    The downside? it takes time and work, but if you have $$$ there are folks right here that will do that for you.
     
  3. Getwhatchuwant

    Getwhatchuwant Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    DBL POST..sorry
     
  4. FuryFit

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    Thanks for the response - I have many authority sites in the niche pointing to my site in content links. Not web2.0s but actual ranking authority sites. Because all the methods that Google preaches stopped working for me after the crash due to redesign, I started trying all the methods everyone else is doing. It hasn't helped at all. I've been struggling with this site for over a year, and now my newer small sites are outranking it... pretty crazy. They have almost no quality links and way less content, higher bounce rate, etc. but outrank my authority site.

    I guess i have a permanent google penalty.
     
  5. seoguru13

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    OP.. I'd agree to what Getwhatcuwant just said.. Building quality links is the key today. The first tier of links should have high quality content, videos, images, seo tags etc. All these days I used to worry about onsite seo for money page, but recently we've started optimizing the tier 1 links too, which is helpful.

    Drop me your url via PM.. lemme run the site through a few tools and see if there are some grave issues troubling the website.
     
  6. Getwhatchuwant

    Getwhatchuwant Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I dont know for a fact that penalties are permanent based on the info gathered here. So keep building good quality to your site. Seoguru want to take a look at your site, perhaps it is the onsite that is hurting you, perhaps its that and other things. Take his offer and see what can be done to fix.
    In any case if you are penalized stay persistent, I think you will find that you come out of this pretty strong.

    Nice offer! I hope this helps him.
     
  7. linkchamp

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    well if nothing is working for you then what you can try is 301 redirect to a new domain and you might see the rankings back as to the original ones.
    I am telling this because of personal experience i had an domain which had penalty, after i changed the domain and did a 301 redirect most of the rankings were back.

    Although this should be the last step to get your rankings back.


    I will suggest you to get some high pr contextual links before doing anything as they seems to be the best quality links.
    Hope this helps.
     
  8. FuryFit

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    I have been thinking about this a long time - I'm trying to build up my other sites so if 301 redirecting this site just destroys what's left of rankings, I will still have sales from the newer sites. So if all else fails I WILL test this.

    Oh and most of my link profile is high pr contextual links from relevant sites. :/ Works on all my other sites but not this one.
     
  9. fathobbitsss

    fathobbitsss Junior Member

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    yea build quality links that the way today!! --" err.. no

    1. watch you link velocity - view here majesticseo.com, if you see a massive spike in links from buiding "quality" sitewide links, then thats the reason that your dropping

    2. build a diverse portfolio of links, spam and quality links

    3. watch link velocity, anchor text variations carefully you should be mint
     
  10. Adamonation92

    Adamonation92 Newbie

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    You should also evaluate your current links. You could somehow have a string of bad links pointing to your site (porn gambling) or some type of malware you don't know about that is destroying your rankings.
     
  11. BackBlasts

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    Have you tried stopping building links at any point?
    I would stop building links apart from the odd good quality link and try to add at least two decent pages per month, or more.

    The other thing you need to pay attention to is the Panda updates. Based on your timeline, it is possible that your redesign lost your rank, but it may well be panda that is keeping it down now.

    There is an ebook called "feeding the panda" that is a decent guide on the issue.
     
  12. lvnworks

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    You better make a Quality Links Strategy.

    Like making a Linkwheel with high PR, all the right stuff into each element on the linkwheel like alt tags, anchor texts, keyword h1 tags, etc.

    And these contents should be unique bro.
     
  13. m3ownz

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    Just a quick check, but are you running your own link network? Or are most of your links from random un-owned sites?
     
  14. FuryFit

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    MajesticSEO shows the following historic data for my site vs 2 competitors.


    • Blue line is my site
    • Yellow line is the #1 ranking competitor (whose links are 99% footer link spam),and low quality content.
    • Red line is the #2 ranking competitor, who has around the same content quality as I do but fewer pages. He has mostly blogroll links.
    How's my link velocity vs theirs?
    [​IMG]


    I do know that webmaster tools shows hundreds of thousands of links from sites that scrape my content. Also, many of these links are malformatted, causing Gbot to get 404 errors on my site when following them.


    I have tried stopping building links for 3 months but it didn't do any good - my site kept going sideways while aggressive competitors kept going up.

    I'd like to note that as of last night, one of my newer sites that is CRAP compared to this problem site... went up from ~60 to ~30 for most of the target terms the problem site used to rank for... Problem site is all in the 200-300s now, while crap new site ranks 30. haha!

    I am not running my own link network. All my links are from random unowned sites but that doesn't mean I'm not getting quality links from relevant editorial articles that also link to relevant pages on sites like harvard and wikipedia etc.
     
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  15. m3ownz

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    No, you missed my point, if you where running a network that could have been the issue. Not really sure what has caused your issue tbh. Scraper sites have never had a bad effect on anything ive monitored, unless they have gotten hold of the content before its spidered (very unusual).
     
  16. FuryFit

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    I didn't miss your point actually - was just explaining what kind of links I have instead of my own network.

    I wonder if all the 404 errors and all that other crap after the redesign triggered a manual review to check if it was even worthy of keeping in the index.
     
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    truepals_forever Senior Member

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    Keep Building.. and One morning you will wake up and find yourself on Page1
     
  18. FuryFit

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    So in g webmaster tools I looked deeper into links to my site... there are hundreds of thousands of sitewide links from shit sites. It looks like someone sabotaged me because.. the links are in CMS themes in footer or HIDDEN in the code... and they're usually in code like <div class="partner_links"> or something very obvious to get a flag in Google.

    Maybe this is why the site has trouble?
     
  19. paulcarter97

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    Perhaps you spam backlinks to much. The more you spam, of course the more your website will down...down...down... in the SERP.
     
  20. Longover

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    Most times, it's because you have a shit site with a high bounce rate and low time on the page that is ranking. That's probably why you are fighting for rankings.