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The Importance of High Retention YouTube Views! [PROOF]

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by Dagreyon, Feb 19, 2014.

  1. Dagreyon

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    Since one of my competitors is trying to downplay the importance of High Retention YouTube Views, because they are having issues delivering the views, I decided to give proof of the importance and show it does matter and does exist, directly from the mouths of YouTube themselves. Since I refuse to out this person in their own BST, I figured instead I would just post the proof here, instead of directly responding to the BS that it's not important, since they're having issues delivering it.

    From G/YT:
    "Watch time is golden
    In the past, the number of views on a video drove its discovery and rank. Videos getting the most clicks were rewarded, rather than those that held the longest viewer attention. Now, YouTube looks at watch time - the actual amount of time people spend watching your videos - rather than only the number of views, as a more accurate gauge of how a video performs. Views only show the number of times a video was accessed, but not how much of the video was watched.
    YouTube suggests videos in search and recommendations that are likely to increase how much overall time a viewer spends watching and we use watch time to improve the ranking of these videos in search and recommendations. If people click on your videos but don't stick around to watch, your videos won't get shown as often in suggested and recommended videos and growth in new views may slow. Now, if your videos drive more watch time or inspires your viewers to check out a related video (either yours or someone else's) your channel gets an advantage!"

    Source:
    https://www.youtube.com/yt/creators/subscriber-advantage.html

    You be the judge. Do you want to believe someone who is having issues delivering High Retention views and down plays the importance or even existence of it when ranking, or do you want to take the proof and common sense of it and know the importance?

    I just want to be clear; I would have never started this, had they not made bold claims. This effects my sales by them writing that it's not important, since I do provide High Retention views. This was posted to discuss, not to argue/start beef. I refuse to allow someone to feed BS to their viewers/customers due to their current issues with providing the service, but I also respect the rules here and won't post in a competitors thread.
     
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  2. Tommy Lawrence

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    Be that as it may, I know that most users here would agree that they would rather have low to medium retention views with a reasonable level of safety than high retention views which carry a high risk of videos getting deleted. Some members have established channels and they cannot risk away the good standing of their accounts, because a refund means nothing once the damage has been done. I've gone though the comments on your previous BST and I appreciate the service you are offering but I think there's room for improvement in as far as safety of your views is concerned. All the best
     
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  3. Snckr

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    Low retention would cause more harm than good to the video, and they are a lot more risky. 50,000 random people don't visit your video on an Android device and watch the video for 0 seconds and leave. I believe having a dynamic retention rate is important, and many direct suppliers will have no problem doing so, all you need to do is edit the len variable (or whatever you have it set as) to a range, so it looks more natural and ranks better.
     
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  4. Dagreyon

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    Already been done. Haven't had issues in a while since doing several several changes. With that said, no ones views are 100% safe, they all run a risk. That's not the concern here. The concern is the person who is misleading users to believe High Retention doesn't matter, which is false. It does matter. The higher the retention, the better. Obviously it's not natural or smart to get 100% retention, which I have never in my life done. Our High Retention views are 70-99% and it is watched a random amount per viewer and each videos average is different. Unlike others who would just send all one static number from a script.
     
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  5. Veyron

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    High Retention Views = Better Chances of Ranking. It's not debatable it's factual.
     
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  6. Dagreyon

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    And it's only common sense in my opinion and they clearly say it does matter for ranking etc.
     
  7. Tommy Lawrence

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    Ok I said low(15%) to medium(60%) retention I didn't say extremely low retention. Give me some credit
     
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    Okay, I apologize.
     
  9. Dagreyon

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    Still, how do you figure that 15%-60% retention would be better than 70-99%?
     
  10. Illini

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    Can you elaborate on why high retention views are more risky? Is it just a matter of the way this seller is providing them or is it bought high retention views in general are more risky?
     
  11. Tommy Lawrence

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    You seem pretty confident about your service. I will make a point to buy your views soon and send them to a random video of mine. If all goes well I will recommend your service to other members in this YouTube section because I'm kinda active here answering questions whenever I can. But if you're just blowing hot air then...
     
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  12. Tommy Lawrence

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    HR views are NOT risky. But the seller might be
     
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  13. Snckr

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    guys, stop listening to dagreyon, he knows nothing at all.

    mobile views with no retention shows youtube ur video is popular and it ranks it faster.

    duh. #commonsense #kony2012

    it's a joke
     
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  14. Illini

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    Thanks for the timely reply, that's what I had thought, but just wanted to make sure.

    Cheers
     
  15. JasonUSA

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    Will be trying out some of Dagreyon's views later on this week. Subs/likes were fantastic from him that I ordered in the past.
     
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    Yeah I saw Ruoall's big post, while he raises some very good points about views quality, HR is and has been very important for well over a year now. I don't think he was denying that though.

    He did make http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/social-media/520494-cheapest-youtube-high-retention-views-quality-all-one-social-media-also-available-post6582862.html#post6582862, regarding quality of views as shown on your analytics. That is: 1) views should not come repeatedly from the same IPs, 2) minutes watched should mach percentage of the video viewed, and 3) unique views should come from unique cookies. Unfortunately sellers aren't providing all of these to my knowledge. Although I haven't tried Dagreyon's views, it seems his views come from one website, QTviews.com or something like that, which looks dodgy itself in analytics. I can see YT spotting something like that easily.

    I haven't tried Ruaoll's views either so can't give an opinion on how his views look like, he had offered me a free sample of 5000 a few weeks ago but since he has launched his new views system, I think that's probably not available anymore. I suggest people http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/social-media/520494-cheapest-youtube-high-retention-views-quality-all-one-social-media-also-available-post6582862.html#post6582862 for themselves, I don't think he's saying HR doesn't matter, he's claiming other sellers claiming HR views don't sell HR in a real, "absolute retention" way, and that he does. Does he? I have no idea, and with a minimum $150 spend I'm not going to be finding out. Maybe someone could and show us their analytics.
     
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  17. Dagreyon

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    Our views come from tumblr. And our views are not done with proxies like other people openly admit to doing. They come from real people, on their computer and definitely have 1-3 on your list.
     
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    So what is the ideal time range when buying Yt views ?
     
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    During this week I have been buying views from different sellers on the forum to find the best provider. At the moment none of the botted videos got banned but I saw all kind of retentions when checking the analytics. Some people sell "high retention " when what you really get is a 30 or 40 % of view length. And believe me this does matter for raking videos. The Higher R the better, under my own experience. This week I will try Dagreyon´s service to see how it works.
     
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  20. Tommy Lawrence

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    I am interested in the results. Keep me posted of the outcome through my PM. Thanks