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The GURU secrety exposed - possibly

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by virus_1720, Mar 21, 2009.

  1. virus_1720

    virus_1720 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I read this question posted on another forum and this really got me thinking. Whats your opinion:

    What do you think is the Simple Formula of Money making?

    1- Product+copywriting+traffic=$$$$

    2- Membership sites

    OR

    3-working with Adsense, PPC, CPA,NMOC, Bum methods, so called blackhat methods like posing a girl trying hard to convince guys to sign up at adult sites, mysapce methods, youtube methods and the list goes on.


    I personally think, and I may be totally/partially wrong but I think that all these gurus that tell us to make money via third method above, are not making money themselves by these methods because so far I haven't seen any hard proof except those that they put in their sales copies, and we know that all such proofs can easily be manipulated.

    I also don't think that Bum marketing author or NMOC author are making money by their own methods, or they are writing articles continuously to gain top rankings for specific keywords like they preach in their products.

    They just created these methods and made money by selling them to simple marketeres.

    I also don't think that Howie Schwartz is making money by following his own web 2.o conversation domination method, he is making money from his membership site that teaches this method, in other words he is making meony by selling his product and NOT from using his own method.

    If we just cool mindedly analyze all these people, and just for a few minutes, get rid of our ADMIRATION for these people, then it would be crystal clear how they are making money in the first place, and why a majority of IJ members is not making millions or even $100,000 a year at the least.


    I know that most of you may simpley think that I'm just talking in air or have gone nuts but I still would say that the above two formulas of making money are the eral ones that are working and would go on forever working, but the third method would take out the energy from you, and would consume lot of your time and efforts, and still the gains would be far less than you had dreamt of.

    So either make a memebrship site, or make a product that teaches a method etc, and sell it to dreamers out there and yes we have lot of these dreamers here on IJ too.



    Please feel free to state your opinions.
     
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  2. Patrat

    Patrat Junior Member

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    Its obvious - 1 and 2 is the best way to make money long term online. But 3 will earn you some quick cash.

    For example in my case I started out doing 3. Then at the moment I am working on 1 while using funds from 3 (most automated and outsourced). I am also working on a big membership site and also I hope to release lots of niche ones.

    This has always been te way gurus make money. Its no secret. If you want to make it big online you have to make your own products.
     
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  3. Jagged55

    Jagged55 Power Member

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    Hard work will make you money, not analyzing other people's success. People spend too much time analyzing other people's success instead of working. 99% of the people hang around forums like IJ hoping to get a free copy of the "magic formula" that will make them rich.
     
  4. ernesthemingway

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    LUCK

    You got to be lucky, you can have the best business idea, if luck is not with you then you will not get anywhere..

    2nd is dedication and patience, every method and trick brings money but not in one night or one week or one month or one year, some things just take time. You must have patience.

    But anyways I think best way to make income online is selling your own product/membership sites.. They do really well, if you depend on adsense u will be dead.
     
  5. jimbobo2779

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    I agree with some parts of that and I like to think for most or at least some of us is a bit of a given.

    People are and always will make money with tried and true methods like making a quality website and driving traffic to it with time tested methods. That is the easy way to make money in the long run.

    If you want quick ranking, quick indexing, quick money then these other methods can yield some money but generally will take more work in the long run.

    Jim
     
  6. antsaoo

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    Well Theres guys making +100k day with CPA as far as im conserned, atleast easily over 10k. But Making your own product will bring in good money if you can make it affiliate based and its decent. But i bet those adsense premium publishers are not called that just for fun and so on ..
    In some Ebook the guy said that the publisher from CB for some product was earning about 1500$ day from his ebook, Cool no problem with that , but even then can you put together 20 different products which are sold everyday. anyway :) Something for everyone
     
  7. virus_1720

    virus_1720 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    just found that this is a post by me and I almost completely forgot about it. Thanks to myself
     
  8. alexaassassin

    alexaassassin Registered Member

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    Hillarious.

    Anyway, I've done both
    1- Product+copywriting+traffic=$$$$
    and
    2- Membership sites

    and can say that IF there is a market you can reach...a big one
    ...and they are not afraid to give you $27 for a membership for
    access to exclusive content that you made/commissioned
    ...then there is definite money in membership sites faster
    The trick is to find forums where that niche participates
    ...or build your site around the membership of such an active forum.
     
  9. NewWayInvest

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    well... i personally know guys with multi million $ properties in LA, ferraris, lambos, you name it. #3 is how they made it. is it the best way? short term, yeah. they all took the money and reinvested in offline ventures. by the way, these guys had a little bit of money to start with to scale it quickly.