I read this question posted on another forum and this really got me thinking. Whats your opinion: What do you think is the Simple Formula of Money making? 1- Product+copywriting+traffic=$$$$ 2- Membership sites OR 3-working with Adsense, PPC, CPA,NMOC, Bum methods, so called blackhat methods like posing a girl trying hard to convince guys to sign up at adult sites, mysapce methods, youtube methods and the list goes on. I personally think, and I may be totally/partially wrong but I think that all these gurus that tell us to make money via third method above, are not making money themselves by these methods because so far I haven't seen any hard proof except those that they put in their sales copies, and we know that all such proofs can easily be manipulated. I also don't think that Bum marketing author or NMOC author are making money by their own methods, or they are writing articles continuously to gain top rankings for specific keywords like they preach in their products. They just created these methods and made money by selling them to simple marketeres. I also don't think that Howie Schwartz is making money by following his own web 2.o conversation domination method, he is making money from his membership site that teaches this method, in other words he is making meony by selling his product and NOT from using his own method. If we just cool mindedly analyze all these people, and just for a few minutes, get rid of our ADMIRATION for these people, then it would be crystal clear how they are making money in the first place, and why a majority of IJ members is not making millions or even $100,000 a year at the least. I know that most of you may simpley think that I'm just talking in air or have gone nuts but I still would say that the above two formulas of making money are the eral ones that are working and would go on forever working, but the third method would take out the energy from you, and would consume lot of your time and efforts, and still the gains would be far less than you had dreamt of. So either make a memebrship site, or make a product that teaches a method etc, and sell it to dreamers out there and yes we have lot of these dreamers here on IJ too. Please feel free to state your opinions.