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The Grigori Efimovich Rasputin CHALLENGE

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by biks, May 11, 2009.

  1. biks

    biks Power Member

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    Anyone here up for a little SEO game? Who here thinks they can get the highest SERP on Google for the phrase "Grigori Efimovich Rasputin"?

    First, I want to see who here is actually a hot shot SEO expert. ;-) And second, we all want to know how you did it. I propose a challenge along with a learning experience for the rest of us.

    I got the idea from this thread:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blogging/80221-how-do-you-get-blogspot-first-page-google.html

    Snowwhite said this:
    OK, so what WOULD it take to be #1 for the phrase "Grigori Efimovich Rasputin"? It's obviously something you'd never monetize and it's basically a "clean slate". There is only 30,000 results that show up. I see no Squidoo lenses, hub pages, blogs or videos on the subject at the moment. I want to see which method gets you the highest SERP. Who can get the most back links on a lark like this? Show us how you did it!

    I've started with this:
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    I just uploaded that video to: Youtube, revver.com, tangle.com, dailymotion.com, veoh.com, metacafe.com, break.com around 7 pm est on Sunday, May 5th, 2009. They all had Grigori Efimovich Rasputin for a title. I'm interested in seeing how high they list and how quickly they are indexed.

    I've also captured the first three pages of Google as if 5/10/09:
    Page 1, Page 2, Page 3 - Let's see who can muscle their way on there.

    Hopefully you guys will find this fun. If not, I guess I'll know which video sites rank the best for something stupid. ;-P
     
  2. mightybh

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    So I should spend my time SEO-ing a pointless key phrase and then reveal my techniques to everyone for nothing? And you had a week head start. Nah, I'm good.

    -edit-

    Even though a wee seo competition sounds like a plan. As long as everyone stars at the same time and the keyword is revealed at the last minute. A little prize would be great as well.
     
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    I'M up for a fair competition too.
     
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    Well there is a massive 13 searches a day for this puppy, you could probably make $1 a year on adsense with this.
     
  5. biks

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    OK, so nobody gives a shit about my idea... here is what *I'VE* learned from this little experiment. Do a search for "Grigori Efimovich Rasputin" You'll notice:

    The Break video got listed on the top of the second page.
    The Daily Motion video showed up on the third page.
    The Tangle video appears on the fourth page.

    The interesting thing was that *THIS* BHW forum entry appears on the bottom of the second page. What does all this tell us?

    Break videos are more valued than Daily Motion by Google. I think it took about a week to have these results appear. (with no promotion on my part) Tangle sorta sucks.

    Now imagine if everyone spent a lousy 15 minutes doing the same with different aspects of web promotion. Do hub pages rank higher than Squidoo pages? Do blogger blogs rank higher than wordpress.com blogs? If someone ran Bookmarking Demon on one of these sites, what does it do for it's ranking? etc. etc. etc. I realize this is basically noob stuff, but there are plenty of noobs who would want to know.

    <sarcasm>But we wouldn't want to bother with this, now would we? We've got plenty to do, sitting by our selves promoting our own shit. No need to promote a sense of community and learning.</sarcasm>
     
  6. mightybh

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    You can't just compare the rank of two videos and say that Google ranks videos from one site higher than the videos from another site. You will need to do hundreds of videos and do an average. The problem is, different videos will end up in different directories or parts of the site. You can argue that categories that start with letter A are listed higher than other categories and therefore rank slightly higher. Obviously different sites will have different structures.

    It also depends on video vs site contextual difference. People link to Break using keywords such as sexy videos more than they do linking to Daily Motion. (Just an assumption to get my point across). Therefore "sexy" related titles are more likely to rank higher with Break rather than Daily Motion.

    There just too many different factors you should consider.

    What you did there is called web 2.0 marketing. Using various web 2.0 properties including videos sites to dominate SERPs for a low competition long tail key phrase. Have a look at some of the Howie videos here. He goes into quite some detail.

    Even if one ranks higher than the other the rule of thumb is to submit to both and increase your footprint. You need to appear as many times as possible on that first page.

    Yet again if you are using BMD you might as well submit to them all. Besides, a few links won't make much of a difference.

    Yeah, lets get together and reinvent a wheel, look at it for a while and jump around while the rest go around riding around us. But hey, that would make use feel better deep inside, right?
     
  7. biks

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    My point was some of use are DISCOVERING the wheel for the first time. Everyone seems to have their proprietary bits of marketing info and you just have to plow through everything here to know what's going on. I was thinking along the lines of an open source marketing course.

    I concur with you Mightybh, once I start making $1,000's online...fuck 'em.