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The Great Debate: Quality vs Quantity, & roles of Linkwheels & Social Bookmarks

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by horation, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. horation

    horation Newbie

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    After reading hundreds of great threads in BHW, there appear to be two conflicting theories on how to achieve success. Would love to hear from experts and anyone who has first-hand success or failure on this:

    The first theory is that Quality of backlinks matters. So an article in Ezinearticles (PR 6), a page on blogger (PR 8), or a bookmark on diigo (PR 7) should be the most worthwhile.

    The second theory is that Quantity of backlink matters. So a tool like Xrumer or ScrapeBox would be most effective, even if they are using low-PR sites. Some BHW threads talk about thousands or tens of thousands of backlinks.

    Some questions:

    1.If I have a Blogger page that links to my main site, what is the benefit of building links into it using social bookmarks, comments, profiles? It seems that my Blogger page or Ezine Article, with a PR of 6-7-8, is not going to benefit from further inbound links? OR? does my single Blogger page not really have a PR of 8?

    2.If Blogger is a NoFollow site, is it of any use in generating inbound links to my main site? Should the focus be only on Follow sites such as blogrolling, which is a much smaller universe? (Article sites are often **************** too.) What tools are best for posting content in multiple blogs that you own?

    3.If Quality is supremely important, than what good does it do to have low-PR sites generated in the Quantity theory linking in to my site? How can the claims of success of 1,000s of mass comments be true if Quantity does not matter?

    4.If Quality matters, then what is the role in a linkwheel of the new hubs/blogs, which by definition start with low PR?

    5.What do you see as the advantages and disadvantages of these methods of building large numbers of backlinks, and what tools do you recommend for them?

    a.Social bookmarking
    b.Blog comments
    c.Forum posts
    d.Profile creation (with or without the above items)

    6.A related question is about LinkWheels. Some people would ascribe them magical powers, but it seems that they are nothing more than a focused set of backlinks. If a bunch of PR1 sites are linkwheeled together, they really can?t generate that much juice. And if they can generate more juice, then it is only logical that using hundreds or thousands of low-PR links from outside-the-linkwheel comments and forums would be much much more powerful (Quantity over Quality.)

    7.Putting conjecture aside, what are the actual experiences, or experts outside of BHW saying about penalties for any of these techniques?

    For the purposes of discussion, assume that the main money site has multiple pages, lots of original content and products, and is not a rehash of PLR content or ClickBank products (nothing wrong with these but want to keep the discussion focused on offsite techniques.)

    Also assume that Yukinari84?s recommendation of ?quality over quantity? content is followed, and:
    -articles and posts are original, and spun to at least 40% uniqueness

    -comments, social bookmarks, etc are spun
    -proxies are used

    Thank you in advance for your insight and opinions!
     
  2. shapsp

    shapsp Power Member

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    ok. as far as internet marketing is concerned.
    you no need to be perfect.
    you just have to be better than you competitor.

    so analyze what are your competitors are doing.
    are they building quantity based backlinks or are they getting quality based backlinks.
    once you get those details.
    do the same and win them.

    -Sha
     
  3. J0kerz

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    First, The PR your are stating are the PR of the actual domain name. You wont get a PR6 backlinks if you post an article on Ezine. You need to make sure to check the ONPAGE PR. Finding High PR Onpage to comment on is damn hard.

    Also, Quality isnt just about PR. Quality is about PR AND Related content.

    As far as I know, Quality beat low Quantity, but Quality doesnt beat Mass Quantity.

    You should Aim for Quality & Quantity, but it's not an easy job.
     
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  4. Camsam

    Camsam Registered Member

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    To be honest, it ain't that hard... just look around for a bragger (yeah there's LOTs of them, and they simply can't shuddup)... checkout his site with tools like SEOSpyglass or something else... then it's just a buffay :)
     
  5. jvmarket

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    I don't have time to get into a big long debate on this subject...it will have many on both sides of the fence.

    First rule...there is no one right way to do something (most of the time)

    Now, having said that I will go back to a statement I have made on this board many times. "Does it make sense" That's the question you should ask every time you get ready to plan out a campaign. Sometimes the answer if obvious...other times not so obvious, but you need to try and answer that question.

    Here is the bottom line.
    • The search engines look at your content on your site
    • They look at the number of backlinks you have
    • They look at where the links come from
    • They look at the traffic to your site
    • They look at your bounce rate
    • and many more.......

    They take all this info and decide to rank a page on your site based on that score compared to all other sites that have similar content.

    Yes that is a very simple explanation....but one most never learn.

    So, what's the best way to build links? Depends on what you are good at.

    What's the best way to get content? Depends on what you are good at.

    Is original hand written content better......could be, I don't know how well you write

    Is scraped content better than original written content....there are those on here that would say yes and they would be right.

    But think about this...if I grab and article from ezinelarticles and republish it on my blog. Then I go out and build a large number of relevant and non relevant backlinks. In time the article I scraped will out rank the original.

    What makes sense to me is a wide variety of backlinks.

    Anybody has read any of what I have written knows that I'm a fan of autoblogs and "modified" linkwheels. That gives me many options for content and backlinks.

    For those that are wondering...I do make money of autoblogs the function 100% automatically.

    I also have some pretty wild linking schemes for some of our other sites.
    Just depends on what the goals are.

    j
     
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