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The "Google can see through your WHOISGuard protection" myth.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tb303, Feb 3, 2016.

  1. tb303

    tb303 Power Member

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    I've called it a myth because that exactly what I think it is. Yet I see it being mentioned from time to time on here.

    Im not talking about problems arising from having whois protection on all your PBN sites - thats obviously a footprint problem.
    What I mean is people saying you need to use different emails when registering a domain using whois protection like whoisguard.

    From the whoisguard terms
    Which backs up how I understood it works.

    • Whoisguard are owned by Namecheap.
    • Namecheap is the registrar.
    • So the domain's whois is registered to whoisguard.
    • Whoisguard's backend on their servers handles the forwarding of the domains contact emails to your email.
    • At no time is your email or address even entered into the whois database.

    For that reason its not simply a case of other registrars (like google) being able to "see though" your protected whois details.

    In fact the only time your real details would appear is if you have the domain live without whoisguard first. In that case they would be public and whois.domaintools etc etc would all see your historical info.

    The only way they can get the domain details is by requesting it off whoisguard as it is them that have the data storage agreements with you as the domain owner.

    Now, as for how easily whoisguard will release your details if someone asks them that's anyones I guess but I tried doing a copyright claim through whoisguard and got nowhere with it. They list all the obvious reasons in their T&C but gaming search engines is not in there unless you can claim its hacking related.

    So that leaves the possibility that google and whoisguard have some sort of back room agreement where google gets slipped confidential information on domain holders at their request (and in bulk!).
    Unlikely as both these companies are covered by various data protection acts that prohibits that kind of activity unless its in the T&C's.

    Thats my view anyway. Im always looking to be educated though so I'd love to hear the views of anyone more experienced with this?


    tl;dr?
    Yes, you can use the same email when registering multiple domains that have whoisguard protection.
    No, you shouldnt use whois protection on your whole PBN!
     
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  2. Reaver

    Reaver Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I've never even heard of this. My main reason for usng whois is to keep spammers from contacting me. Sure I could enter fake information but I'd just rather not do that.

    I'm sure someone here will have a story that will conclude them to believe that nothing written in your post is true.
     
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    I'm around for more than 15 years (so longer than whois protection exists) and never ever heard of this.
     
  4. tb303

    tb303 Power Member

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    It gets mentioned from time to time in threads on here about PBN's. There's a post today I saw that prompted my OP.
     
  5. Gyuman82

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    I also believe this is a myth.

    I think even if they had the ability to, they wouldn't devote the resources to tracking webmasters down this way.
     
  6. lord1027

    lord1027 Elite Member

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    I agree with you, just wanted to add a small detail, Namecheap is a reseller of eNom, they're the ones who "own" every info.
     
  7. clickton

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    Is there any particular reason why you would rather not use fake information?
     
  8. mirrorer

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    I can confirm this.

    I've asked both Namecheap and name.com if other registars can see your information when you use PrivateWhois and both said no.
     
  9. Bling Bling

    Bling Bling Regular Member

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    I've never heard of this, but it might be possible.

    As lord1027 said Namecheap is a reseller of eNom. When you do a WHOIS search for a domain name bought from Namecheap it says Registrar: eNom, Inc.

    Google and eNom were partners before Google had their own domain registrar. If you tried to buy a domain for Blogger or Google Apps, it all went through eNom.

    Maybe they have some kind of agreement to share user info...
     
  10. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Super Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I'm not sure but I could see that as some sort of privacy violation in the USA unless it was disclosed. I'm sure there are more knowledgeable folks that may know for sure but if I buy from company A and they sell/share my info with Company B, here in the States, there would be some noise made that would shatter some eardrums.
     
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  11. shadyns

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    I think you saw my post, bro I don't talk just to increase stupid posts I'm talking from experience and from experience from big SEO players like Greg and others... Just think about if you have one website that you want rank and you got all strong links from domains that have whois protected... is that normal? Off course that it isn't normal... and like I say before I know a lot of people got huge PBNs deindexed who have used for all domains whois protection... just don't think about this and use damn new emails and info for domains and if you really wanna buy for some whois protection but not for all.
     
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    Yes.

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  13. misteryou.

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    I personnaly use different emails for all domains, no matter WHOIS visible or not. The reason is to keep to be organized with all infos/domains.
    Also with Google you don't know what's happen under the table, Or you don't know if a new law can pop out regarding WHOIS. Years ago Registrars droped .us prorection. Last year was after MarkMonitor and others who represent the same industries that backed SOPA domain, owners related with sites "commercial activity" no longer able to protect their personnal infos with Whois privacy services

    Better to be safe
     
  14. manipura

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    Agreed. While it's anecdotal, I've been using the same emails for a multitude of domains with whois and have never had any problems.
     
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    Never heard of anyone mentioning this, wouldn't be worried regardless as I've always used a different email address per registration.
     
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    lets not assume its a myth, you shoul still kill the possibilities if google can do that
    so pbn owners should be very careful, dont understimate google
    i hope its a myth too but no one knows??
     
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    "always used a different email address per registration" ? ALWAYS?
     
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    Ive never heard of this but im relatively new to all this but i use different email account for each domain as i believe it reduces footprint and chances of someone finding one PBN and having a map to the rest .

    I keep all my domains/emails/passwords in an excel file along with hosting/domain expiry dates so i can easily check when i need to renew them, i also keep my web 2.0 details in an excel file with general info

    I believe organization is key when dealing with all websites/PBNs