Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by James2, Oct 5, 2015.
I just read this. Very disturbing...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34444233
I'll give a shit about this if I ever get into terrorism or anything else that is going to attract attention of FBI/MI6 or whatever. Otherwise who cares? Sure it sucks but it's reality, it's like being sysadmin for the whole country, of course you are gonna have your hand in RVERY part of the system, but are you gonna care if a few of your users are downloading torrents or what not.... Of course not.
Your right but its not about that.
Its the simple fact that the government has the power to do it, and we allow them to do it.
Its sad really, everyday they are passing new laws giving themselves more power and taking away our constitutional rights
Imagine if everybody finally lost it and came together to overthrow the armed forces, police and the government. They wouldnt be able to do shit about it.
Edit: I said lost it..........what i meant to say was 'came to their senses'
That's the excuse the authorities use when taking away our freedom and privacy; "if you've nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about". Just because we aren't criminals or terrorists, we still deserve privacy. It's a fundamental human right.
I'm curious at what point will you actually "give a shit"?
Will it be when there's CCTVs in every room of your home monitoring you 24/7? Or perhaps when you go outside and everything you touch scans your DNA and uploads your current whereabouts to the government. Is that when you'll finally care?
Truth is everyone has some level of expected privacy, it's human nature to. It's just yours is lower than others
And yeah unfortunately this news doesn't surprise me in the least. Snowden is a fucking hero for what he's done. Up until recently you would have been called a conspiracy freak if you'd stated 1/2 of what he's made public.
What perhaps is the most scary thing of all is how these agencies have been able to garnish so much power and funding so quickly. Just take a look at their HQs and how big they are and how many people they employ. It's insane
Right on Pigsy brother
Its not that insane, they(NSA,FSB,GCHQ etc.) are just the only remaining organisations that continue to keep investing in computer processing power at a pretty good level. The private sector has become "cheap" when it comes to computers. For example the first PC came out in 1965 and cost $3,200 adjusted for inflation that is $24,000. Only a handful of people that could even afford such a computer would pay that much these days.
Why are you so afraid of the government? The government is very very weak, they just put on a big show but if you actually just do a slight reading into how much things cost you will find out its just a bluff. They have no issue spending 10x the cost for something and spending years getting something done compared to what a private sector company could do.
Also, all these leaked intimate photos should be a warning. Maybe you did nothing wrong, but all this data snooping and collection can be used against you even if you are 100% honest and law abiding citizen.
You go drunk, do something silly (but not illegal), or you have a bad moment and shit yourself or something and it's forever recorded somewhere online? I don't think that's appropriate at all. Especially since in the future hardware will get bigger and more powerful, they'll be able to record infinitely more stuff....imagine not being able to make a mistake as a kid and have it forever online on some hidden database? That's a really fucked up future right there.
Ahhh, the old "bring down the government" that's worked well over the last ten centuries hasn't it ?
Bring down the government and replace it with what exactly, another corrupt government?
When will people realise the WHOLE world is corrupt, from the governments in the West, China, Russia to third world countries in Africa where presidents walk around with more gold around there neck than a multimillionaire hip hop artist and own land and estates bigger than Buckingham fucking palace.
Use your brain and invest in one of these greatest mobile phone ever
Bring down the government and replace it with losers, the poor, the bang average man without 2 pennies to rub together.
Do you think that the text messages i get "alex johnston from middlesex, you have £15 betfair credit" are the governments trying to hack me?
(i'm not alex johnston, thats why i'm wondering)
I would agree except for the information that the NSA would pass on drug related tips and info they illegal acquired with their surveillance to the DEA which is how they started cases (from there just come up with a legal rational to get a search warrant even though the original information was illegally obtained). That's the kind of thing that bothers me and if they're willing to do it for drugs its not too much of a stretch to say they'd push it towards other things in future that are really not worth the price of taking away our privacy as they don't pose any danger to us.
It all comes down to what you think about yourself. If you view yourself as an individual, you value privacy for obvious reasons. If you view yourself as part of a blob, certainly you don't have any reason to mind your owners monitoring you.
It sounds like you have got some amazing ideas of identify terrorists and criminals
What do you mean man? I'm not sure I understand you (not being rude).
What I meant was, how do you conclude if a person is a terrorist/criminal or an innocent. Is it by self-admission of a person, just like you said, "I am not a terrorist or a criminal" or through intelligence (data)?
Terrorists tend to blow things up. It's a clear sign
Jokes aside, your point is true. A state that has cameras up every one's anus is more effective at prevention than one that has none. My answer to that is "tree vs forest". For example, on a state that has no cars, there are zero deaths from traffic accidents (well, unless one falls badly from the donkey, but otherwise...). But you're not proposing the ban of cars, because you can see the value of transportation despite the deaths caused by it. It's the same thing with the surveillance issue.
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