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The end of expensive PBN domains? I'm calling BS on a lot of things said by people lately

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ste Fishkin, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. Ste Fishkin

    Ste Fishkin Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hey guys,

    I thought I'd share the results of an experiment I've run over the past couple of months...

    Here are the end results:
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    4 keywords were targeted with this specific method on one of my test websites. Those are the results.

    Keywords are between 15 and 45 KC on KWFinder - all of them 5000+ monthly searches.

    The site is not monetised and in truth I've barely seen any additional traffic from these queries... None of them are first page yet but as you can see the results are pretty decent and in my opinion worth sharing.

    2 were new keywords, 2 were existing.

    So what did I do?
    I built a PBN, nothing new, nothing different except one thing...

    I used spammed/penalised domains that I picked up from this request here.

    Between this thread and my scraping I picked up 30 domains. Hosted them all on EBN (which is kind of crap... see future threads for a better/cheaper solution) and built out these domains into WordPress based websites using content from archive.org. I didn't want to spend too much time on this so I did everything I could to keep the previous sites URL structure and restored content only.

    All themes were just free random ones from wordpress.org

    All the sites were added to Search Console on dedicated accounts. Only 6 had penalties come up in there and only 4 of these would not index... These were ex-pills sites and had over 200k links in majestic so that was kind of expected.

    With the 6 remaining sites I let them age for 28 days while I decided what site I wanted to potentially nuke then I built my links.

    I used fiverr social shares to the new content pages containing the links and that was it.

    The results you see are live now from what I have seen as of right now. They might not be all that impressive to some, but as an experiment I think this is cool.

    I have a lot of respect for people like @Nargil who has made several threads pushing the "clean" approach to PBN's stating spam domains are not good... but I always never fully understood why.

    I know 100% that spam works, so why were people claiming spammed domains needed to be avoided?

    I don't think this particular PBN will last as long as a normal "clean" PBN. Of course not... I don't even think it's the right approach for 90% of people...

    But as you can see it works. For those who don't have $50+ to spend on domains when building out a PBN, this could be a solid option until you can do it "properly".
     
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  2. Zwielicht

    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    The image link is broken, Ste. ;)

    Edit: There you go!
     
  3. Ste Fishkin

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    I fucked up babe - fixed now.
     
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    same goes for web 2.0
    people here talk about "Super web 2.0"
    I ranked few CPA sites using crappy web 2.0s
     
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    About how long do you expect your PBN to last Ste?
     
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    I've worked on sites with over 1 million blog comments links that are 3+ years old and have never been hit.

    I don't believe that people get hit all that often... Nowhere near as much as they pretend.

    People are shit at SEO, so they blame Google.
     
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    Let's not forget they're all just repeating what they've been told by gurus whose only stake in the game is to line their own pockets.
     
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    Just wondering what would Rand has to say about this
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    Great post man! Iv manually checked 100s of sites ranking with PBNs and even with these "spammed domains" people are killing it, it might not be the best long term plan but it definitely works. The only thing I would say is to not use domains with a manual penalty.
     
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    "Spam is Spam and will stay all ways Spam" I say.
    I will equalize Spam with "Penalized Domains" for purpose of this post and you will see bellow why.

    Pros of Penalized domains
    -Allready established domains
    -backlinks established
    Tip:You can all ways pull out Penalized domain from SandBox and make it right because my practice show that this is possible.
    And Im working only with Adult and Pharma.:)
    Observation notice:
    Even domains with Spam score 4 on Moz scale I have seen that Ranks as crazy and have Keywords in top 5 on 1 page on google.
    Go figure Google.:)

    Cons of Penalized Domains
    -some domains you can not pull out from sandbox(Don't ask me why?)
    -you will waste a lot of time and effort,I mean a lot of time
    -you will loose domain as valuable assets

    Tip:Penalized domain you can not use anymore as Money Site only as PBN.
    Obsevration:You can not rank any keyword on 1 page of Google ever if you use Penalized domain as Money site.I mean ever.

    Hope Guys You like my post.
     
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    Spam domains indeed work, just it may need more cautious or you will easily fucked up than a "clean" one, so in the last day, just do it, and test, not listening all things online.

    Valuable share since this year.
     
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    Think this ties into Fred update & most recent big Penguin refresh.

    Google are definitely getting better at recognising spam, so perhaps the spammed links pointing to your domains have been devalued by the algo & the strong links are causing movement.

    Personally i would still run clean domains any day of the week, however it seems your method is a lot more cost effective.
     
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    If this is true, this is value info share, thanks dude.
     
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    True. Unless there's some major and repeated offences Google doesn't hand out manual penalties. They update the algo and others, but no websites don't get hit that often.
     
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    I think people obsess way too much over "clean domains" . Normal business owners aren't shopping for clean domains. They have absolutely no clue what the fuck that even means. Of course, people have agendas and want to push their services, but taking everything that people claim as factual would be a mistake. Thanks for sharing your findings mate!
     
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    @DankHorse maybe You are True regarding this, that "Normal business owners aren't shopping for clean domains. They have absolutely no clue what the fuck that even means" but if I'm not mistaken here on BHW opposite of your opinion BHW is mostly visited regarding new SEO Trends in race to spare some money from business owners.
    Correct me if I'm not right.
    But bottom line is that Penalized Domains can't bring your Money site at top 10 position on google even as older SEO lurker you know best that only first 3-4 spots on Google page can bring Organic traffic.
    Business owners are seeking this and demanding this from Money site and when buy Domains.
    And because Business what ever form is,is "Hard Play" with sentences sent to all "SEO Specialist" or "SEO Expert" I want to rank for most volume search keywords in my niche at least in first top 3 places on Google and this is final.
    Then "start hitting your head in wall" if you play with Penalized Domains.
    Hope you get my point regarding this matter with this post and one above I wrote.
     
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    Exactly. I've had sites rank using automated web 2.0s with spun content and affiliate links.
     
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    I can supply you with like 50+ web20 it ya want for you next test
    you can even chose your niche: pharma, pnis enlArgement, or Ugg bootz..


    atm I am waiting for my "own" results... always wanted to see what that "blogspot profile" spam backlinks domains could do I got by accident some while back.
     
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