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The effect of pre-existing links in 2015

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I know that its typically the vogue to buy domains that have had a past. Domains that have pre-existing links.

    But then I started thinking... we've seen yet another Panda update. How do we REALLY know what benefit pre-existing links have on a domain which you buy. A domain that Google knows has expired and has been vacant for a time. Surely Google KNOWS that you are a new site on this URL, and that any previous links had nothing to do with your current content's merits.

    So how can we be sure what the benefit really is in those pre-existing backlinks? This is a hard thing to test. And as Panda rolls out I can't help but think that maybe Google wipes to board more clean than they used to. Its been a LONG time since I've seen anybody put this to the test.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. ranjanastic

    ranjanastic Newbie

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    Google ranks sites by relevancy and backlinks, not by who owns them. So, its fine.
     
  3. THUNDERELVI

    THUNDERELVI Elite Member

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    The best way to find out is to test yourself.
     
  4. beingink

    beingink Senior Member

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    I had the same doubt and then I was watching this video from source wave and even he made the same point. That why does google not care that somebody else owns them and he said nobody knows why.. It is just one of the mysteries why they don't. So carry on.
     
  5. alternatesword

    alternatesword Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I think, sometimes the actual owner failed to renew and re register the domain or the ownership may transferred to another person on sale/dealings then how can the algorithm find these things? that's why google doesn't care who owns it.
     
  6. myopic1

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    Well I've built 10 new PBNs in the past 2 weeks, the pages I've pointed them at have all seen significant increases, which is proof enough for me that it's business as usual.
     
  7. jamie3000

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    Do you bother to hide your pbns by blocking back link crawlers?

    Personal I think google still gives the links the same value but it wouldn't surprise me if they add that to some sort of spam/pbn detection algo so if all the links to your money site are from expired domains (as in 100+) you might have a problem and set off a flag. That's my theory anyways.
     
  8. THUNDERELVI

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    That theory is difficult to put into practice. Not to mention it can easily be bypassed so you never get flagged: for every PBN link, build x other links which are not PBN - web 2.0, social networks, social bookmarks, High PR profile links, etc.. Let's say if you have 600 links and 100 are PBN-s (1:5 ratio), you won't get flagged because it's natural. This is why most here recommend to have a diverse backlink profile, although honestly my testing has proven otherwise, yet again I don't deal in that much tough niches so it's not rocket science.
     
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    rpkrocks Senior Member

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    I'll show you how, this is a back link profile of some Australian pbn maker.

    He ranked #3 is this niche.


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  10. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    And your PBNs domains all had pre-existing links? And you didn't power them with spam blasting yourself?
     
  11. myopic1

    myopic1 Regular Member

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    When that day comes, which it might, it will be a sad day indeed but for now ranking a website is just a matter of budget and the speed at which you can find PBN domains.

    I'm not so nieve as to only use PBN domains, there's social media, 2.0's and press releases thrown in (just like a real site) and so far...no issues to report.

    I always block bots.
     
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  12. myopic1

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    Never do I touch the back-links of a PBN other than for an experiment I'm running to determine the value of fresh quality links (2.0s) being built but that's independent of what I just said.

    I don't understand why people make SEO complicated. A few titles, the keyword 2-3 times in the page and throw links at it until it ranks.
     
  13. jimbobo2779

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    Really all you need to look at is how much money is spent on these domains and how many people are out buying them every single day.

    They rank incredibly easily in most cases, much easier than a fresh domain.
     
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    The more complicated something is, the easier it gets to sell people services related to that.
     
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