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The Dangerous State of Black Hat SEO in 2017!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jacker818, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. jacker818

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    Hello BHW Family,

    Just wanted to start a discussion among the BHW community regarding the current state of black hat SEO. As many of you may already know during the past 12 months google has had multiple algorithmic changes. These changes included those of which targeted black hat tactics of which many members on this forum take advantage of on a daily basis.

    Through various link building campaigns I have noticed the decreased effectiveness of the following:

    - Manually Created Tier 1 Links (Web 2.0's, Article Directories, Press Releases, Blog Comments, Forum Profiles) (All of Which were created using High Quality Original Content)

    - Tiered Link Building (Created Using High-Quality Spun Content Suitable For T1 Link Building)

    - PBN's ( The Majority of Black Hatters Are Using PBN's and With This Fact High-Quality Domains Are Becoming More Difficult and Expensive To Find) NOTE: If you are a PBN seller please do not bother trying to convince us otherwise. Google obviously knows that this is one of the most powerful methods to rank and if they really want they can knock us out of the water instantly even if we are protecting our asses. If you ask me, all this chatter about PBN's is due to the fact that google is testing an algo which is set out to officially be implemented soon.

    - Expired Web 2.0's (Mainly Used Tumblers and Twitters)

    - Indexation Services ( A Few Months Ago My Indexation Rates For High-Quality Tier 2 Links Were about 50-60% now they are 15-30%) Note: I am still able to index all of my manually created tier 1 links without any issues or indexation services.

    - Ranking Speeds (Drastically Slowed Down Using The Methods Above Since Mid 2016)

    I honestly think SEO is currently at a very dangerous state from black hatters due to googles intelligent algo updates.

    In order to achieve the same results we had in mid 2016 we must work at least three times as hard and spend more money on high-quality content, pbn's and etc.

    Google is definitely looking for quality backlinks and de-valuing the crap out of websites which are building links on such easy to obtain platforms as web 2.0's and article directories.

    We need to come together as a team once again to dominate googles recent and future algo updates. We must be smarter and stronger in order to rank.

    Best of Luck To Us All,

    Jacker818
     
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  2. Shaunm

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    Pretty much my thoughts exactly although I came from the automated side of things rather than manual T1 and PBN based stuff.
     
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  3. jacker818

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    Don't have to tell me twice bro, i stalk your blog. I am aware of your recent case studies using GSA and i have had similar results.
     
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  5. Shaunm

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    Always nice to meet a reader :).

    My plan is to drop link building all togeather, I have canceled my VPS' and such today and I am doing a few zero backlink test sites to see how they do. My life goals have changed massively recently so I only need a few Thousand a month so just need to rebuilt. My theory is that the sites should be more stable too as well as their incomes.
     
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  6. jacker818

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    You are definitely on of the most powerful GSA SER users on this forum and the fact that you said that should wake up this community!
     
  7. Hawkster

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    Either im lucky as fuck or im doing something different to everyone else, because nothing seems to have changed for me except for serp rises across all my sites.

    Maybe im just better than ya'll

    There is one thing all but 2 of my sites have in common though and that is age, when building authority sites i like to set the site up with enough content to cover all the basics then let it sit for 12 months, adding maybe 1 or 2 articles every few months and once every so often manually finding relevant articles to comment on. I think the lazy approach has actually benefited me.
     
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  8. nodyguy

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    Algo? Let's play with you.
    "In order to achieve the same results we had in mid 2016 we must work at least three times as hard and spend more money on high-quality content, pbn's and etc."

    Well so lets assume that your theory is right and we actually have to invest MUCH more in order to rank, it also means that the weaker "SEO'ers" who are clueless or unexperienced will give up after all those algo updates.
    It actually means less "noobs" ranking just with big budget and spam or some quick short-lasting-quick-ranking method.
    So it actually means less competition, but "higher quality seo'ers" so it is just offsetting.

    The point is that it doesn't matter what Google will do, how smart their algo will be and what new algo animals will come because as long it is Algo - it can be manipulated.
    Don't learn a method - learn a skill.
    Learn SEO - don't just learn how to create PBN's and rely on this.
    PBN are great linking method and everyone are using them, but tomorrow there might be some big update and all those PBN will go to hell or will be much harder to create.
    I don't tell you not to use PBN's or any other linking method, I actually suggest you to use them in order to bank for now but you have to keep testing, you have to keep studying how to secure other link types, like how to create infographics and to get experience with guestposting.

    To sum up, SEO is always in a dangerous state - it is something you understand with experience, trends are coming and going all of the time, you just need to match yourself with the state.
     
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  9. elavmunretea

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    Adapt and evolve.

    It's not that these "tactics" no longer work, it's that your method needs tweaking.

    Take PBN's for example. The people who maintain amazing quality PBN's with high-quality domain, hosting, link building tactics etc will see hardly any change, while the people who thought they could spend $25 on a site will soon learn that the only place cheap gets you is back to where you started: at the bottom.

    If you're naive enough to read that "xyz method is dying" and give up without testing every single variable for yourself, then are you really ever going to succeed?
     
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    Couldn't disagree more. Sure, the game is constantly evolving but you're talking as if we're on the brink of trainwreck- we've seen steady gains across pretty much all of our properties since mid 2016 to present day and our methods haven't changed that much. Some of your comments, ie PBN's are just wildly misleading unless you're referring to shitty built, oversold, public networks. I feel your missing something. P.S I'm not a seller! Furthermore, investment in terms of time or money is certainly not anywhere closer to your 3x analogy, I'd argue if anything it's gone the other way.

    The blackhat game is at no more of a dangerous crossroads now than it was in 14/15.
     
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  11. jacker818

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    Here is an example: Lets say google creates an algo update to disregard links from domains which have no traffic. What do you think happens then? There are rumors all over that this is going to happen? Do you know how much time it will take to create a network of high quality PBN's which have organic traffic?
     
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  12. cnick79

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    Back links will always dominate in my opinion but as you pointed out it's going to continue to take quality links. I see this is because the internet is maturing and it's getting harder to compete as more and more authority sites are established. I'm glad I got out of trying to rank personal websites. I find it's easier to focus on a few things you are really good at instead. I'm not a SEO guy and I realized that after the first google penguin dragged my 3,000+ daily visitors website back into the abyss.

    One thing is for sure, somebody here will find the next method to use and the cat and mouse game will go on.
     
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    You adapt to the new changes and find ways around it. Same principle as always really..

    Sure, it's going to be tougher should something like this be implemented (not saying it'll be implemented in the first place): but the SEO industry has always been about adaptation. Those who adapt will survive.
     
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    Please come back to the real world. Just take a moment and think about how we would counter that. Not that it would ever be implemented as it would affect to many legitimate links. Traffic does not directly correlate with link quality which is why it hasn't been implemented and in my opinion will never be implemented to that extent in an algo update. Jeez.

    It's also a separate and potential future point your making from the ones you made in the OP. You initially suggested things were already in a sorry state of affairs. I'd suggest you just need to spend a little time tweaking the formula. Somewhere along the lines things have just got a little sloppy.
     
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    Perfect time for a noob to start tryimg. Yay!:(
     
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    I'm not saying its dead or anything, I just need a break. My sites have been battered the past few month and I have recently became interested in some white hat style stuff. Most of my old stuff was based on pyramids made 100% of SER based links and I can't see that type of method working anymore for a number of reasons. I still feel SER can be used on tier one, just not in the pyramid.

    Just out of curiosity, are you using PBNs or automated stuff like SER and Xrumer?

    edit - your last paragraph didnt show up for me initially where you mention looking for articles to comment on. What you are doing pretty much sounds like what I plan to do now.
     
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    I seriously thought I was one of the only ones that did the lazy method!
    I do the same thing, with a little twist.
     
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    Think about this... how can a website with no traffic generate back links? That right there is a big red flag and begs to be slapped.
     
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    For my authority sites no, i built them, added enough content to cover the basics, made sure on-page was good and let them sit there for at least 12 months, just adding an article every so often and manually building links slowly via comments on relevant articles. By slowly i mean when i could be bothered. I'd go into more detail but its late here and i gotta hit the sack soon.
     
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    As long as black hats keep using Chrome, Gmail, Google Docs and such, they'll destroy every link network, PBN and linking method you try.
     
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