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The biggest lie in IM industry I ever heard

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by WPRipper, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. WPRipper

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    I found an old article from techcrunch where the founder of thewirecutter said and I quote "We didn?t make money for 18 months because it?s a huge moat in terms of Google. They hate lots of black hat affiliate sites that are scum".

    Even the worst IM'er can make some money in 2-3 months but not wirecutter. This makes me sick, literally. I'm amazed how these big players are doing everything they can to stop you. If a rookie will read this article will say "wtf if they made money after 18 months what about me?".

    The point of this thread is to be aware that things are not what they seems - I remember a thread about a chick on instagram who make 600k/m - seriously? Yes you can succeed, yes you can live your dream life but don't believe everything you read.
     
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    Each year we hear that "SEO is dead", link building is dead and so on. I am also tired from these rumors.
     
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    The Story is totally different today, I see a new {Pro Blogger|Expert Internet Marketer} Popping up every single day.

    Just have a look at facebook... And the best part is They have their own Course to rip off newbies.
     
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    There is a huge market for it, and the competition is not that fierce comparing to other niches. Temporary newbies are not necessarily their target market, there is a huge number of eternal newbies (such as fashion bloggers).
     
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    Everyone lies. Especially big companies, they don't want competition at all. F*** them.
     
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    There Certainly is, I agree with you totally. We Will see more and more of these kind of people popping out of nowhere, the more Newbies fall for it.
     
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    I only read these Charlie blogs for amusement. Kids making nothing preaching the do's and don'ts of online business.
     
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    Take a look around here at BHW. There are so many self-proclaimed internet gurus popping up every week that barely know how to connect to the internet...
     
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    I think that most people who are looking at starting into blogging or IM fall for these courses and guides. They spend a few dollars and hopefully they start to realize that they are falling into other IMers traps, the smart ones also realize that they can do the same and make a few bucks. I don't think it's a bad thing that going to end the internet, it's just the wheel turning. I mean even I fell for some BS paid guides at the start and I've been in love with the internet ever since I had the first opportunity to use it.

    We are also going to see a huge influx of Internet Gurus pop up, It's not the early 90s anymore where only super nerds know how to use computers. Kids are learning to use iPads before they can talk these days. Any of these kids that decide to jump onto a PC and look further than the safari browser are going to want to be Internet Gurus.
     
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    IM guides are bullshit 90% of the time, its better to start your own website and work on IM yourself while doing some trouble shooting on a site like BHW.

    Most the guides either give out outdated methods or claim that certain working methods are outdated.
     
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    Yeah dont belive everything you read seriously.
     
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    Jeez, no kidding about that one. I was researching a few keywords in my local area the other day and saw a few Adwords ads appear for a bunch of new cowboy SEO/Web Design companies in my local area. These purported SEO-Web design hybrid companies didn't even exist last month, yet they're already promising first page rankings to anyone for any keyword when they can barely even rank their own website.

    I don't care much about the increased local competition, I care that they're lying to local businesses just to make a quick buck.
     
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    Ever heard of this quote :D?

    "If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough."So claimed Chicago Cubs star first basemen, Mark Grace.

    In the long run, you will lose, cheating will eventually get you down to your knees, so I really do not feel like cheating is the way to go, but there is SOME truth in this quote.
     
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    Agree... These days, the bigger the company the more lies they concoct. You would rarely see an honest company these days.
     
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    All the crappy SEO startups are part of a bubble. There are plenty of studies showing SEO is more effective for a company than traditional advertising and is significantly cheaper.

    The estimated advertising spend (globally) is anywhere between $600 billion - $1.1 trillion per annum but it's ageing badly and people are jumping to the better, cheaper alternative - SEO. It's not quite mainstream yet, but it's happening and there's going to be lots of sticky fingers in that particular pie as it takes off. (rocket pie?)

    You guys are at the front of a wave that's going to change the economic landscape beyond recognition. When the bubble pops, it's the early adopters that survive and thrive. The fake gurus and cowboys won't hurt your business - all they're doing is convincing people that SEO is absolutely necessary and then fail to deliver. The real experts on here with tangible, demonstrable results will be in the perfect place to service an extremely hungry market.

    Anyway, I dunno - I recently spent an evening talking to an economist being enthusiastic about the internet, must have got inspired.
     
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    THIS POST x10!! Internet is the future! Hate how lots of people can't see this, although. Probably better for the rest of us, huh? lol.
     
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    I have seen stores on the mall close up (the non branded ones) and it got me interested in finding out why. I stopped by one and decided to see if I could ask the sales rep (while buying a overpriced set of cast iron skillets) why they were closing up shop. "We just don't see the customers we used to come in and want to buy something" was her reply. I responded, "Well, have you tried to pull customers in by throwing big sales or drawing people in with a raffle or something?" "No, those won't work for the store, besides they pay me above minimum wage and I have enough to do as it is" she said.

    After checking out and walking away it dawned on me that what I said wouldn't make sense (or change anything immediately) for that store. Cast Iron skillets do range in price and quality, but its not a price point or over saturation that destroys business. Clearly they were suffering from multiple problems that could be corrected to keep their business open. I drove home and actually wrote down a few pages of ideas that seemed great in my head. After playing some MMORPGS for a few hours I came back to my notes to read them, and search Google to see if the ideas made sound sense.

    I crossed after almost every idea, save for 3 after being crushed that my nice brainstorm of sincerity had failed me. I didn't bother going back to that store, and it ended up closing down, hopefully that clerk got another job before losing that one. My main idea isn't new, but its innovative on a old solid foundation idea. Train your employees to appear sincere and take care of the customer. This would be coupled with a solid irresitible offer being promoted to your client base to keep repeat sales (which is the lifeblood of any successful business) coming in.

    I have since then developed a strategy for IM that follows the basic principles of sales psychology. Find a problem that people are always going to be willing to pay for, build up your product to sincerely solve that problem, and market it to people that will continually buy from you to solve that problem. Sales copy needs to make people think you are the only viable solution to their problem, and to buy from you right now (this is why you fail at grabbing conversions). My customer experience needs to smell, taste, and feel like its a sincere solution to the problem.

    The biggest lie in IM is that big businesses are pure and noble and that little businesses must play by the rules big businesses set forth.

    Amazon - the only place you can reliably buy name brand items for less. Search for microsoft surface 3 128gb. You see a Microsoft brand name on it, and its "perceived" to be sold directly to you by Microsoft. Click on new tab that lists the pricing. Microsoft isn't selling this product directly to you, neither is Amazon. Businesses and people are selling it to you, and NO its not always cheaper than the web. Amazon's ads and marketing reps (and affiliates) will tell you its cheap, its safe, its reliable. Their customer support is designed to appear sincere, they even go as far as having "sales" to help boost your delusions further.

    The reason why Amazon is Amazon and you are you is simply 2 things: resources and mind power. They use mind power to collect resources to keep their business in operating. They branched out (like Google) invested their success in other companies to keep on making money even if their sales dip. Most business start a business to make money, but don't already have solid money income source(s) to keep them operating and running when profits are low or none at all.
     
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    Actually, when the bubble pops, the fake gurus are going to be enjoying margaritas on the beach with a few hotties in their arms because they have retired.
     
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    What a freaking lie!
    LoL
     
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    I have NO IDEA why you singled out WC. Seriously. I just read that entire article and there was nothing misleading about it at all.

    Here's the article for anyone who cares to read things IN CONTEXT: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/12/just-tell-me-what-to-buy/

    All they said was "we didn't make money for 18 months because it's a huge moat in terms of Google. They hate lots of black hat affiliate sites that are scum". It's hard enough to understand how you'd think that's a "lie". Nevermind "the biggest lie in the IM industry." But then you get all mad about it? A figment of your own imagination?

    TechCrunch is the highest read technology startup news source on the web, with 35 million readers per month.

    They publish articles like every 10-20 minutes. That's around 70-140+ articles a day. And their content is pretty solid. There's a reason they're #1 in the tech startup space. But you took 1 line from 1 article on 1 day and implicitly framed it as some elusive conspiracy where .... tbo, I have no idea ytf you picked out that line.

    WHAT should have WireCutter wrote? Should they have LIED and said, "we made money in 2-3 months"?

    Should they have lied for the sake of some idiots noobs? How many "noobs" even read TC? I think I was in IM for well over a year before I first visited their site. And let's be real, if some noobs gonna read 1 line then rewrite the entire course of their future .... that persons an idiot.

    Should WC have promoted blackhat affiliate sites as an intelligent business model? When it's very clear that's not what they're going for? Should they have said, "sustainable businesses can be built in 2-3 months"?

    Hell, did you even see their best air conditioner review? :)
    That's 1 hell of a fucking AC review imo.

    I know I sound like an ass right now. And I know what you were trying to say. I just think the way you said it was rather poor. Like you twisted a truth to further twist a truth.

    If you wanna get hypercritical... which I won't, I'll do this from an objective standpoint.... what you said was far more of a "lie" than what you quoted.

    The "worst IMer" isn't making "money". Isn't that the reason we call them the "worst"?

    You actually said, "some money". Is your definition of "some money" is $.75 / day? $3 / day? Cause it still doesn't make much sense. Go read the IM section. If an IMer is making $.75 / day, they're not the "worst". The worst are all the IMers starting journeys they never finish cause they never make money and that's A LOT of people. Furthermore, the people making "some money" aren't real IMers in the first place. They're just PEOPLE trying to learn IM. If it takes me 60 mins to install a light switch in my room am I a "bad electrician?" Or a person who's never put in a light switch before?

    Let me stop with the semantics. The point is, I think what WC said was more representative of the truth than what you said. Maybe they got some affiliate sales earlier but they probably didn't break even till 18 months. Considering the scope of their venture. And even though I agree with the energy behind your message, that it's important to be positive.... I don't think it's a very realistic message.

    It's well known that a lot of people aren't cut out for IM. That most fail. The industry attracts lots of lazy people. Even smart people who ARE cut out for IM, who are willing to work hard and smart.... even those people don't see much success their 1st year.

    And I'm not writing this to demotivate noobs as much as I'm trying the opposite. If you're a noob trying to make money in this field, be prepared to go to war. A small % will always get lucky. A small % will always be naturals and feel like they were born for this shit. We know this. But for most people it's going to feel like war. And if you're not ready to approach IM from that standpoint, that you're going to war, that you're playing the ultimate sport, that you're swimming with sharks.... chances are those sharks will eat you.

    -BB
     
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