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The 'Best' Spinner Is Obsolete - Truth before you buy

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by jb2008, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. jb2008

    jb2008 Senior Member

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    Here is my letter to TBS support after they told me they could not support articles of over around 1000 words and the server would deny multiple requests in a short period of time.

    Is there any spinner that can do Good-Better-Best and remove the original word for TRUE seed articles that will be seen as unique by G, i.e. those of 10,000+

    How do you guys get around it?


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    What if, for example, there is an article of 500 words. It is rewritten 200 times and put into rewrite-level spintax. So effectively the end spun articles would still be around 500 words. Are you telling me that the 'Best' Spinner cannot handle this? Many people (myself included, obviously) have many rewrites and thus the spun seed article will have totals exceeding 10,000 , even 100,000 depending on how many rewrites are made on the:

    1. article level

    2. paragraph level

    3. sentence level

    The fourth, word level, therefore may involve spinning many variations of the same article. The output would be a small 500 article as normal but heavily spun on the article level / paragraph level / sentence level and then, finally, the word level. Are you telling me that the 'Best' Spinner cannot do this? What on earth justifies annual fees of around $70 if The 'Best' Spinner cannot perform these functions? The Good-Better-Best word level spinning and user modified thesaurus is, I admit, excellent, but spinning on just the word level is useless in 2011 SEO. What are you doing to accommodate 2011 article spinning, which involves a lot more than getting auto spins (or even 'quality' manual spins) on the word level only?

    Can you please forward this query to Jon as I would like to hear what he has to say on this. As you have just told me, TBS is restricted to small articles spun on the word level only. Sure, you support nested spinning and all that, but if the software cannot (or refuses) to handle larger articles which for any SEO benefit at all in 2011 should be spun on multiple levels, hence the seed article can exceed 10,000 words or more. This makes The 'Best' Spinner obsolete.
     
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    If it is obsolete than what is modern and up-to-date?
     
  3. OldFatGuy

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    Are you talking about using the API? Or the desktop tool? API might have limitations on how much data could be sent... Desktop shouldn't have any limitations although I suppose it is possible they've got some 64k limit for some reason. I suppose that there could be performance issues that could bog things down, especially if the spinner uses regexp, which most do.

    Would love to see a 10k word article that spins down to 500 words... Hell, I'd love to run it thru my own spinners just to see if they hack or not.
     
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    The desktop has the same issue when trying to run beast spins. I use MAR myself as it has no problem reading a 10k+ piece of syntax (I've run 60k through it before with no problem).
     
  5. jb2008

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    Yes, exactly. Depending on your system it can spin seed articles of who knows what length! I have put a 100,000 word novel through it, it took about 30 mins of my crappy celeron 2 cores working flat out, but it spins it fine.

    And 10,000 word seed articles - they are not unrealistic if you a. rewrite the article b. rewrite each paragraph of each article c. rewrite each sentence of each article. I personally rewrite twice so I have 3 versions. Doubtless others may do more. The issue is that, while The 'Best' Spinner prides itself on its user edited thesaurus, the good-better-best replacement, removal of original word, these features are actually useless in reality. The creator is happy to take your 70 bucks or whatever it is every single year, for a product that fools people into thinking the user edited thesaurus will truly help them create unique articles in G's eyes. The Good-better-best feature is an excellent concept, but it's useless when you start to realise that TBS will only handle tiny seed articles and does not have the capacity to handle properly spun articles, i.e. large seed articles with many rewrites. Even if user favorites Good-better-best produces the most grammatically correct content of all the spinners, it's still dupe content in G's eyes. This is 2011 not 2001. Large seed articles, paragraph level, sentence level, then finally word level spinning is required to mass produce articles that are unique. Therefore The 'Best' Spinner's sales page 'quickly generate hundreds of UNIQUE articles', is now an absolute falsehood. Ask the millions of people screwed by the content filter known homosexually as 'Panda'.

    The other spinners are generally useless too. Spinnerchief because it doesn't have anything of the sort that TBS has in terms of user favorites, good better best, etc., heck I'm not even sure it auto spins but I used it a long time ago for manual spins (which it's not that bad at, to be fair). MAR is the one that had the most potential, compared to other spinners it is fucking fast, handles damn large text files, great for extreme 1 2 3 4 or even 5 level nested spins. MAR can auto spin the entire history of the universe(s) and still make it home in time for dinner. It 'freezes' when it's auto spinning large texts but trust, it is working, leave it for 30 mins per 100k words. However the big let down of MAR is the thesaurus. At default you have to make your own 'tokens', so in theory if you trained MAR you could have the ideal program (holy shit I think I am on to something, lol, but it would take a fucking massive effort, I may post a thread on it later). You can buy the addon called 'Magic Tokens' and let me tell you, it is a sack of shit. I don't mean to be all negative in this post but dayummm, anyone who has the magic tokens in MAR will agree with me that the content you get after an auto spin with all the magic tokens (read: auto spin thesaurus) is borderline gibberish. There is so much to be corrected that there is no point.

    So basically:

    MAR needs a user edited thesaurus, good better best function, original word removal function.

    TBS needs to get a pair of balls. It currently has difficulties with articles over 1k words in length, which means that PROPER spinning, i.e. on the article, paragraph and finally word, level is impossible due to the length of PROPERLY spun seed articles which will actually be seen as unique, or at least mostly so, by G in 2011. Currently it's that Jon leger guy swindling noobs from the WF about how to get super unique articles with the click of a button. Do you really think it is that easy?

    SpinnerChief seems to be more of a manual spinner, its thesaurus is better but it is not for mass auto spins. Even if it did auto spin, the content would only be slightly better than that produced by MAR. And we must remember the emphasis that G now places on grammatical correctness, so even if your gibberish is unique, it will still be valued as gibberish and trashed by G accordingly.

    I've got nothing personally against The 'Best' Spinner's creator or the creators of the other spinning softwares. I am just saying there is YET to be a spinning software that can TRULY do the job that is required of a spinner in 2011. And for all the yearly fees that he is taking from his unknowing customers, is Jon Leger updating the software according to what WORKS in the present day in order to fulfill his sales copy's promise of "hundreds of unique articles"? Fuck no. He is just laughing at all the suckers who think a nice user edited thesaurus providing grammatically correct articles yet unquestionably duplicate in G's eyes, is going to help their SEO efforts. If anyone knows of one that I am neglecting please do let me know.
     
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    i think this thread is good for idea development ~
     
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    I agree, but today TBS told me that they will never develop the software further to meet any of these needs, so I am sure the creator is happy to take people's money every year without further investment. I guess he has too many income streams to care.
     
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    TBS API and the desktop software are almost the same thing. The software just makes api requests, so the api limits apply to both. The author also is too busy on other products to other.

    @jb2008 you didn't include Spinchimp. That's the one I use after throwing out both tbs and chief
     
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    Thanks for adding Spinchimp, I hadn't heard of it before -- what's it like? Specifically in terms of its auto-spin readability and maximum article size?
     
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    My projects don't require lots of spinning or content creation. I only use the free version of spinner chief, so I can't comment on their cloud or miracle thesaurus. However, if you use the free auto spin with the correct parameters you can create content that's mostly human readable and will appear unique. If the free version is capable of that much then I imagine the premium thesauruses are quite good. If I ever need more spinning and content recreating then I'd probably upgrade with SC because the base program is very useful as is.
     
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    I tried SpinnerChief and TBS before, but now i'm only using SpinChimp. Not for heavy use, just personal use. They updated the software and i can say it's getting better with each update. They added a funcion called Instant Unique, a function you can use after spinning your article and for increasing the uniqueness of it. Basically, it replace letters with special caracters (pretty smart eh), at reading the words looks the same but letters were replaced, and it passes copyscape anytime :). There's also a free version for those who may want to give it a try. The pro version is the cheapest among other spinners..as far as i can tell. :) .. anytime i heard of SpinnerChief i just feel :aargh4:, i didn't have a good experience with it, maybe because i was trying hard to make it work for spanish grrrrrrrr..
     
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    I think The Best Spinner is quiet well for me :)
     
  13. jb2008

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    Update: I've since bought Spinchimp and I am loving it - it actually performs as I want it. I might make a thread about it in the future as I feel it's nowhere near as popular as it should be. But right now I'm still working hard with Spinchimp so maybe later...
     
  14. aj113

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    Yes it does.

    Let me assure you it does.

    It will mass auto-spin any other spinner off the planet. Are you sure you actually have SpinnerChief? Or maybe you have it but haven't actually used it?
     
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    Right, so when you tried SpinnerChief, did you use the Content Hurricane plugin, which was introduced over a year ago, and which SpinChimp copied?
     
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    aj113 are you a Spinnerchief developer or something? I used it a lot before for manual spinning, it was much better than TBS and MAR, but trust me, SpinChimp is light years ahead of it. If on the other hand you're not the Spinnerchief owner, I'm doing you a favor when I tell you: try SpinChimp, it blows SChief out of the water. And this is coming from someone very critical of spinning software.
     
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    Yes Vouch for spin chimp here. Best spinner on the planet.
     
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    I have had TBS for years but it can not be used offline. I did use it with Senuke using it's API and it did not have problems with Vita Vee's Ultra Spinnable articles. It is the fastest for manual spinning.

    I got spinner chief because of the grammatical feature. But it can not be used offline.

    Finally I got SpinChimp. It does grammar and can be used off line.
     
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    Yes it can.
     
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    Spinchimp? Will look at this again, get back to you..