Ok the First KW that I got on the first page of G has got very little traffic, did not do KW research for it, I just followed the on page SEO tips from the forum. Then with the second one tried a KW with some more traffic and that Traffic Travis said was reasonably easy and Market Samurai had the on page section green but the backlinks section was a bit red. The firs keyword I did a AMR submission in demo mode (bit broke at the moment). G shows 25 backlinks from that, 7 to the page targeting the KW. It went up to #5 and has now been sitting there for two weeks. The second one without any backlinks to the page itself is now sitting on #10. Next I will try to do some backlinking to it and see what happens. Just a bit busy now with other things but will do that as soon as I have time. Thanks again to all BHW members for helping out with all the advice. (for anything to do with SEO I come strait here).