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Telling the truth? [CPA]

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by SpellZ, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. SpellZ

    SpellZ Regular Member

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    I started a CPA course that I have bought for quite some money. I read up on it for a couple of weeks, saw a lot of positive feedback and now I want to try it for myself. The course itself is a bit advance and it doesn't get into 'boring' details like creating an AdWords account, getting accepted into CPA networks, etc.

    So my question is...
    Let's say I apply to Copeac or Neverblue and tell them upfront in the call, "Hey listen guys... I'm totally new at this and bought a CPA course to help me out. I was wondering if I can get accepted into your network and continue my course with high precentage that very soon I will start bringing income"

    ... Or something along those lines.

    Because I have read that they care that I am a real person, etc.
    So what do they have to loose if I join... and don't make any profit at the start? Or for a very long time?
     
  2. Maxell

    Maxell Regular Member

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    thye dont want the newbies to join their network, becuase they have many reasons for that. You will have to pretend to be doing affiliate marketing for quite some time say e.g. 2 years or so, and get ready that they may ask for what kind of offers you have been promoting, what traffic sources you usually promote, what category you would go for blah blah...
     
  3. soulchief

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    Tell them that your being coached by a successful internet marketer.
     
  4. ForeverNever

    ForeverNever Power Member

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    Saying you bought a course will be just fine. They'll even be pretty lenient for you because you're genuinely interested in starting something new. It worked for me to get accepted to a few networks.

    The conception that they "hate newbs" is only true for a few networks. Those networks are dicks and don't deserve you anyways. Screw em, there's hundreds of networks.
     
  5. biks

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    I'm kind of a noob at CPA, when Maxbounty and Never Blue called I just said that I'm going to do PPC and I have money to spend. Got accepted immediately.

    As long as you're throwing money in their clients direction, what do they care if you know what you're doing?
     
  6. Jimmyvee

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    DO NOT tell them that you bought a CPA course and that you are new at it. They don't want "tire kickers". The second you mention that you bought a "course" they automatically think it's a scam CPA course. They will ask how long you have been doing this for and how you drive traffic to your other offers. Just tell them that you have been doing this for a few years and that you buy banner space, PPC, things of that nature.
     
  7. madinaz

    madinaz BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Well if you seem to have some knowledge and are able to show them a decent looking website I'm sure you'll have no problem...Some networks will turn you down but that's to be expected...I'm sure my network would let you in...
     
  8. andre09

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    They don't tell them you are new. They get paid when they have successful marketers working under them. They will feel like the support will be a waste of time on you.
     
  9. qriusity

    qriusity Newbie

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    That's suicide. They don't care about honesty, trust me on that. I'm speaking from experience, because few weeks ago i pull the same thing you said you're about to do. And guess what, that's right they rejected all of my application because they thought i was just another newbie which by they was true. Anyway here is what i did. I created a simple corporate website, stole some content from other websites and did a bit of rewriting. After i finished i created a nice email address and applied. One thing you gotta do which i think helped me get accepted was, emailing the network immediately after i was through with the application form. You also have to call, it doesn't have to be during the business hours, the trick is to call after the business hours and just leave them a message and you have to do it twice or more. Here is a small portion of the email i sent out. "Hi, i just finished applying for affiliate account on your network. I would like to get my account approved as soon as possible if that is ok, because i'm planning on starting a campaign within the next few days. That's not the exact email i sent out, anyway i hope you get the idea. I wished you luck in all your endevaours.
     
  10. pyronaut

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    To be honest....I wouldnt think they would mind. I got into some CPA networks straight off the bat just by telling them what i was going to do...Honestly what does it matter if a couple reject you? Most/if not all the ones you are looking to apply for are all running through direct track so are likely to have similar offers anyway.

    I wouldnt tell them your on a course. But if you say WHAT you intend to do, maybe youtube etc. Then they will happily accept you im sure. Even if you say your a bit new, but already seeing some signs of some good profit. You dont have to talk shit to get accepted just tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to go about it etc.
     
  11. SpellZ

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    Half of the people say, "Do it", the other half says, "Are you crazy!"

    Okay...

    What if they reject me? Can I reapply?

    I will read up on in a bit more, ask some of my 'mentors' on what they think and will do the best possible option. But I'm thinking about going with an honest answer but with enough of white lies.

    I will tell them that I have a mentor who is teaching me (credits to soulcheif) the ropes of CPA. I will tell them that as of now I do not have an official website that will promote a certain product but I can show them my graphic design portfolio (so they know know my potential graphic design skills, etc). Tell them that I will be spending money to promote there products, etc?

    Or... bad idea?

    I'm basically trying to get into Copeac, and if that fails then Neverblue


    Why? ... I don't even know. A lot of hype is behind that so I want to give it a go as well!
     
  12. pyronaut

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    If they reject you, well you can apply another time. But not right away. But like i say, alot of these networks arent using "exclusive" offers at all. You may have to join a smaller network first to learn the ropes, and even if it pays a little less then others, your still earning from it.
     
  13. low key

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    nah. but thanks.
    Copeac was easy for me.
    I bluffed something about being a PPC mastermind.
    Then they called. Asked if I had been with any other network.
    I said yes, 1. Maxbounty.
    For how long? 5 months.
    I got accepted.

    But I'm only 14 so maybe they didn't want to reject me :D

    But yes always lie that you are already started.
    What I did was to say that I do PPC.
    When they ask for my website I say that I build landing pages only after chosing an offer so I don't have any website to show. LOL.
     
  14. SpellZ

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    Secret, that is smart!

    Perhaps I will do the same thing...

    Its just that I don't want to dupe them into thinking that I'm making OH SO MUCH money, and then for like.. 3 weeks I won't even be using it.
     
  15. mystery

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    This is not a problem. The main thing you should focus on is getting inside.

    When you are inside, and even when they realize you are not making that much money, they won't kick you out for no reason. Trust me.

    The basic scenario you should follow is that you are already a marketer. Doesn't matter if you are new to CPA or not, but you need to be some sort of a marketer with money to spend.

    Now a few networks are easy to get into and won't mind you being a newbie. Remember I said FEW. Most of them don't want newbies. Trust me.

    Go tell NeverblueAds for example you are a newbie and if they let you in, I will owe you money.
     
  16. Mjordan

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    Take his word on this fellows. I tried the noob thing with neverblue before I knew better not to, and the woman stuck a stick in my butt and just hung up basically lol.
     
  17. mystery

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    You are lucky you haven't spoken to Andrew! His crew are sweet compared to him.. lol
     
  18. Lurking

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    I called all the major networks and lied my ass off. None of them care and I have accounts at Hydra, MaxB, NeverB, MarkLev and 10 others I can't even remember...lol.

    Just be ready to answer questions properly and speak with confidence. Even if they doubt you...still be confident.