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Taxes and the Government -- Blah -- What Say You???

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by CoyoteAssassin, Apr 14, 2015.

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  1. CoyoteAssassin

    CoyoteAssassin Elite Member

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    I'm glad that my business made a profit. But what I do not like is working hard all year and giving money to the government who turns around and waste it on unneeded projects and people who could work but would rather get their check in the mail.

    It would be great to see someone elected that will lower taxes and stop the waste of money in government. More money in my pocket means I will spend more money which means the stores will be able to afford to pay better or hire more people.

    Many no longer think like that. Instead, they want to tax hard working people and take our money and give it away (aka buying votes).

    Vote for me and I'll immediately cut the budget by 10% across the board. If you can't find a way to save 10%, you are not looking hard enough. Use coupons, negotiate, do something. Stop taking my hard earned money for your lavish parties and expensive vacations.

    Anyone want to step on this soapbox with me?
     
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    Only sheeps are paying taxes


    Maybe you can show me the law which forces you to pay taxes ?
    If you wanna talk about a topic at least inform yourself before posting
     
  3. CoyoteAssassin

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    Then we are all sheep.

    This first line sounds exactly like you.
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    http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
    My guess is that you are not in the USA. If you are not paying taxes, it is because you are showing break-even but you are still filing taxes or either you are committing tax fraud.



    IRS commenting on the thought you have.
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    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf
    Since our founding in 1937, we've had hundreds of brilliant economists, lawyers, accountants, and policy analysts here, and they all paid their income taxes. If there was a way out, one of them would have found it. -TaxFoundation

    Trust me, I wish you were correct but you are wrong if you are int he USA.
     
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  4. CoyoteAssassin

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    ** Not sure where there are two of these post.

    Then we are all sheep.

    This first line sounds exactly like you.
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    http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
    My guess is that you are not in the USA. If you are not paying taxes, it is because you are showing break-even but you are still filing taxes or either you are committing tax fraud.



    IRS commenting on the thought you have.
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    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf
    Since our founding in 1937, we've had hundreds of brilliant economists, lawyers, accountants, and policy analysts here, and they all paid their income taxes. If there was a way out, one of them would have found it. -TaxFoundation

    Trust me, I wish you were correct but you are wrong if you are int he USA.
     
  5. zebrahat

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    There is no positive law (binding on all) requiring most Americans to pay or file. That IRS tract has long since been rebutted, see:
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    http://sedm.org/Forms/08-PolicyDocs/friv_tax_rebuts.pdf
    If you do not reside in DC or federal territories and are not a federal worker, you are NOT statutorily in the US, thus not subject to IRS jurisdiction. Whatever assessment or enforcement it conducts on people outside of these limits is an erroneous misapplication of the code, or is fraudulently done under color of law. I have not filed or paid in 15 years.
     
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    Yeah, don't pay your taxes and see what happens. Wesley Snipes is gonna make you his butt buddy.
     
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    What sucks more if one living in a tax free country and ain't earning anything :(
     
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    That's not how it works. When you spend more money in the stores there will be less and less people working. Tasks of people will be taken over by cheaper machines and those that still have jobs will get paid far less. Just went to Wallmart and there was nobody working. You have to scan your own purchases and swipe the card yourself.
     
  9. Getwhatchuwant

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    A ton of waste in our Government but I can promise you its not those getting food stamps that are paying off the politicians to do what they want.
    Look closely at contractors, look closely at those that get subsidies and deferred taxation THEN look at the poor.

    I pay plenty of taxes and I dont like it either but I would rather pay for one guy who is cheating to get food stamps rather than paying so some asshat can make a $100 million tank we dont need.

    Lets do it the right way.
     
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    And you live in the USA? Do you keep savings in case they notice? I will review the site in detail. If we are not required to pay tax, why do some people (including celebrities) go to prison. They can afford to have people fight their case. I think there is more to your story then you are telling.

    I do not like either. But I do not see those that are cheating the government for $100M. I see the people in front of my buying steaks and soda while I buy water and chicken.
     
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    I see it (the tanks)every day when I count my money. If the guy wants to waste half his food stamps on steak then he can, he can enjoy ramen noodles the other 6 days of the week.

    Dont think I am forgiving scammers, I am not. But typically when operating a budget I look to look at where I can make the biggest and most effective impact first.
     
  12. cottonwolf

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    Taxes don't need to be taxing.
     
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  13. CoyoteAssassin

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    The problem with this way of thinking is that it creates a culture of dependence on the government and so far our elected officials have been too weak to put an end to government handouts. If someone truly cannot work due to age or real medical condition, yes, we can help. But if they are lazy and walk into an interview with no intention of getting a job, that person is part of the bigger issue that needs to be fixed.

    Maybe one day you or I can do more to prevent this. Maybe a flat-tax will be introduced. Everyone pay the same tax rate on what you buy and not what you earn.
     
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    We agree on some things and yet we disagree on others. The investment class will not feel the effect of purchase tax when most of the flat tax proponents do not favor taxing investments. Therefore that is a purchase they can make without the tax. As far as the purchases themselves, well you and I know that purchases can be made and avoid that proposed tax as well. Mundane items like clothes and food, well a guy making a million does not need to each that much more than a guy making $25k...

    There is a way to do it but I do not know that way at the moment. I do however look into the things that are being proposed.

    And I agree, people who are lazy and cheating the system need to be weeded out but that would take more oversight and/or some sort of program to teach these people new skills to make it worth working again.

    In the meantime we keep bloated budgets in other areas, we pay for $100 hammers to government contractors (who got the jobs thanks to kickbacks to their favorite politician) so they can make millions if not more and insane subsidies and tax shelters are costing us much much more.

    You are right, taxes are too damn high, the 1st step in how we address it is where we differ. I think we agree otherwise.
     
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    Isn't it just easier to move to a place with a low flat tax instead of getting charged so much for things that are cheaper on the private sector?
     
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    Yes and no, Who doesn't like the opportunity in the USA?

    I do. I also like smooth roads and stable bridges, I like that our military is powerful (although excessive) and I like local schools, police, fire as well as the pretty strong infrastructure.

    Also, if you make enough the taxation doesnt bother you as much. Its the middle class that is being squeezed. People making just enough to be "kinda" comfortable, that is who taxes hurt the most.

    Sure if you are making $2million a year and you pay $500k in taxes its a bother but it is more of an inconvenience than anything else. not so with those that work their asses off to stay above water.
     
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    Yes, if money is more important than family.

    Some do this and if it wasn't for my wife wanting to be closer to family, I may have already done this. Some states no no income tax but still you pay federal taxes.
     
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    You can get US military protection without living in the U.S. by living in any NATO member or EU member nation(since so many are in NATO the few that aren't still get some NATO protection), and the infrastructure in the U.S. isn't all that good, in fact in many areas the roads are falling apart and bridges are at risk of collapsing.

    As for opportunity there is some, but not as much as there was since the USA is a developed nation.
     
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    I agree that roads can always be improved so that they are as smooth as silk, but I only know of two in the US over the past two years? For those that lost lovedones, that is too many but to say many are at risk of collapsing is like saying you are at risk of drying today. Is it true - yes. Would anyone bet money on it - no.
     
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    The NATO part I agree, we seem to be everywhere others do not want to be. I think we should fix this. The taxpayers are paying for this but the military contractors are in our pockets as well as our politicians ears so that will not happen anytime soon.

    Some roads could be better but that is back to people paying their taxes, this includes mega corps and other large businesses. Opportunity still exists, with our population you just have to have fill a need or a want.
     
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