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Tax Agency in Sweden is bad for Internet Marketers.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Battleaxewarriors, Aug 7, 2014.

  1. Battleaxewarriors

    Battleaxewarriors BANNED BANNED

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    Okey so i've been at a meeting with someone who works at the tax agency regarding my taxes, first of all he didnt even understand how i make money from CPA so i had to explain that for like twenty minutes, eitherway once he finally understood how i make money ((I still dont think he understands)) he told me to sign a paper so i did.
    Here's the reasons why IM sucks in this country.

    - I had to write down how much i expect to make from IM in a YEAR! Which is pretty hard since my income comes from CPA offers and i cant really write down how much i make so i wrote 72,000 USD.

    - After that he talked with me for another five minutes, then he begins to calculate HOW MUCH i gotta tax each month, and yes he literally gave me a NUMBER that i gotta pay in taxes each month which is around 40% of my monthly income. And that is pretty stupid since my traffic COULD die and that would be no revenue for me ((I still gotta pay the same number the next month, even if my traffic source would die, and that would mean that i gotta either rob a bank or win in the lottery to pay the next payment.))

    So the conclusion is that i could suddenly begin to owe shitloads of money to the tax agency if my business would crash, would be alot better if they could be like "Tax 40% of your total income."

    And now because of that just to stay safe i save 60% of my total earnings on a different bank account and the rest i put in my pocket.

     
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  2. Dakarois

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    Ok that doesn't make sense at all. You don't pay taxes on what you "expect" to make but on what you make. You can't pay taxes if you haven't made money. Do you have a business registered or you're acting as individual ?
    I would get a 2nd opinion for real
     
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  3. Battleaxewarriors

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    I have a registered business.
    And yes it did not make any sense plus ontop of that i gotta file them if i make more then what i said i make, and about the "one more monthly payment" is that i gotta file them if my business crashes but i still gotta tax for that month.
    I went there and thought i would get a great overview since i dont want to fuck up with the taxes but i believe they only made me stupid, i guess they want all of us to work with a 9-5.
     
  4. Lalalaenhund

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    You're paying taxes in advance. You will obviously get the money back if you don't make enough, or if you make more, you'll need to pay more.

    At least in Finland, it's optional to do this.

    And seriously talk to another tax specialist or an accountant, preferably someone who isn't retarded.
     
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    We got "A-Tax" and "F-Tax" in Sweden, F tax is for business and A tax is for individual, i applied for F tax and got accepted the good thing with that is that i am able to purchase stuffs on the company ((Computers,Phones,Cars ect.))
    If i would go back to A-Tax which is for individual use then the taxing is easier, its like "Oh u made 10000 USD, pay the IRS 30 % "
    But the bad part about A-Tax is that i cant purchase things on the company so i would lose money but the taxing would be easier.

    Hm..
     
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    Yeah obviously you should be taxed as a business.

    At least in Finland, it doesn't matter whether you're taxed as a business or employee, you should still be able to choose when you pay your taxes. But it could be different in Sweden.

    I'd love to give you specific advice but I'd have to learn the swedish tax system in order to do that... That's why I said you should talk to another tax specialist. Judging by the fact that it took him 20 minutes to understand how CPA works, he can't be too smart. I've talked to several different accountants - trust me there's a massive difference between them.
     
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  7. Battleaxewarriors

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    Yeah i live in a small town though, pretty close to Finland.
    There isnt that many accountants and advisors here, but ill try my best.
    I've sent a facebook message to my dad's friend, he's making a living out of IM and he's from the same town as me so he should be able to tell me where to go.
     
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    Why don't you try to get a second opinion... this sounds bizarre... it should not work like this... I feel you should be getting your money back... Did u check the consultants/agency background and reviews, before going to him?
     
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    Stop whining. I'm PAYING LIKE 55-60% in Taxes...
     
  10. HoNeYBiRD

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    there are a few ways to avoid paying taxes or at least the vast majority of it
    most networks can pay you via Payoneer, in EU no gov will/can check your Payoneer balance

    they're on a need to know basis about your bank accounts, but they're on a don't need to know basis about your Payoneer acc
    i mean of course pay some taxes what you know for sure that you can pay conveniently, because it'd be very suspicious if you'd pay zero taxes and at the same time live a playboy lifestyle

    wherever i can, i just use Payoneer, it's nobody's goddamn business how much money i make through IM
    especially if you have those stupid rules that you need to pay taxes after an estimated income which can be a lot less in the end

    i'm not a big fan of income taxes, we pay enough taxes with all the other stuff, gov can take a hike
     
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  11. Battleaxewarriors

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    I got a Payoneer account aswell as a debit card.

    I thought my IRS could be able to check my balance and transfers?!
     
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    What about paypal? Can they check how much you make via paypal?
     
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    I think so because...
    PayPal-> Personal Bank account ->IRS can see the transactions.
    Payoneer->Debit card-> ???
     
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    transfers for sure, that's why you don't do transfers from it to your bank account, but use it only to withdraw cash at ATMs and shopping, still nothing beats the smell of good ol' cash freshly withdrawn from an ATM :D

    but how the hell would they know that you have an account when you don't tell them in the first place? Payoneer is not obligated to report you to your gov unlike banks

    so i just can't see this happening

    Paypal is a whole different kind of animal, it's well known that they are obligated to report you if you're in the US, dunno about other countries
    if i'm not mistaken you can't have a debit card unless you're in the US or UK, so you need to get the money out of the account somehow which can't be a withdrawing to your bank account for obvious reasons, so getting out of the money would either cost you money or you can even get scammed in the process, but you can always use the balance for online shopping

    the most important thing about Paypal (at least for me), that i don't like them and even more importantly i don't trust them, i would never use their service to handle bigger sums of money and i guess we can stop right here, because from this point, it's totally irrelevant for me how they handle taxing
    Paypal->Payoneer transaction can be done, but it's also irrelevant for me, because of aforementioned reasons

    i prefer to work with networks which has Payoneer as a payment type
    Payoneer is much better and safer, where you can keep your money w/o being in a constant fear of getting limited for any nonsense reason
    i'm with Payoneer since 2008 and i've never had a single problem w/ them either w/ money being hold, getting limited, getting in touch with their support etc, i can't say the same things about Paypal
     
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    What I was asking was if the IRS would be able to check your paypal balance in some way? So for example if I had $5k in my paypal balance and would withdrawn only $3k of that into my bank account. I would only have to pay taxes on these $3k right?

    And I could use the rest ($2000 untaxed) to do some investments or online shopping and noone would notice it right?